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Old 07-24-2012, 08:58 PM   #1
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It's no surprise that Silver is manipulated but...

In my opinion, which is not based on any research or fact.

I feel if the price of silver rose to what it "should" be worth, then our economy would collapse. Since, so many products we use on daily basis contain silver. Most of you should know all the things we use that contain silver, so if silver does become more expensive, wouldn't the price of everything it's in go up as well? And make things unaffordable for the masses?

Let me know your opinions! Thanks.
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Old 07-24-2012, 10:50 PM   #2
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Silver could rise ten-fold and it would not substantially increase the price of most products that it is used in.

Silver is used in such miniscule amounts as to make it almost a non-issue in the overall price of the item. For instance, if silver was 100.00/ounce, how much would it change the price of a laptop computer? Basically nothing because, though silver is needed in the electronics, it is used in such a small amount as not to affect the end price by much.

IOW - the economy would not grind to a halt if silver rose sharply. What would be a more important issue is that the charade of fiat currency would become glaringly apparent to more people. And the the bankers and government can't have that.
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Old 07-25-2012, 03:23 AM   #3
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what would cause such a price rise ?

All PM's really do is demonstrate the loss of purchasing power of fiats so any such a rise would be part of a major wave of inflation, / hyperinflation

and would be moving broadly in line with other essential commodities

ok within this general trend there could easily be peaks n troughs as people wake up to whats happening and run for the exits but over time exchange values will revert to their historic mean.

Theres too much hype regarding whats gonna happen .......
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Old 07-25-2012, 04:18 AM   #4
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...economy would collapse, not because tiny silver content in "everyday" products, but it would collapse in two steps: first, it would collapse "too big to fail" banks, with their massive naked shorts in paper silver markets, and step two, aftershocks of that, would shut down financial markets. So yes, Ponzi economy would collapse, most probably - which is what will happen eventually anyway. The sooner the better, because the longer the wait, the bigger the crash.

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so if silver does become more expensive, wouldn't the price of everything it's in go up as well? And make things unaffordable for the masses?
yet another thing: one must simply love this kind of misconceptions, that were infected on people's brains by the government central planners: "if we do not intervene in the X, Y, or Z market, than most of the consumers would be priced out of the market! OMG, that would be such a disaster, we simply cannot afford it to happen, we MUST intervene! Here, have some government backings for mortgages, or student loans, or car sales! Here, have some zero-interest ratest, just PLEASE, keep speculating with that free money! Here, have your "government"-sponsored iPad subsidy (sarcasm), to keep our hi-tech industry going!". Why, it all worked SO WELL so far, didn't it?

...what ...a ....pile.. of bovine !!!!! Consumers + Suppliers ARE the markets, you cannot have suppliers selling in the vacuum with consumers being "priced out of the marked", so if some/many consumers would be priced out of the markets, than SOMEBODY, some Bill Gates or another Henry Ford, would find a way, to supply them WITH STUFF THAT THEY NEED, AT THE PRICE THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY. Of course, that is assuming free markets, free society, and no government-imposed restrictions, regulations and undeserved gifts & hand overs on everything, denying people the right of making their own sovereign choices at every step, and freeing them from personal responsibility, BTW.

Additionally, let's assume that it is true, and silver price needs to be suppressed, to sustain our today's Ponzi economy.... Fair enough (because in fact, it does need to be suppressed, for the reasons given at the beginning of my post). But HOW you do that, how you suppress things in the free markets? You need to divert some capital, that would otherwise be used in a different way (and possibly - in a productive way), to fight the market forces. Can it be "net economically positive", ever? The physics of the real world tells us, it cannot. Some of the "energy" will be lost in the process, and it will be lost at the expense of the input or output - and NOT the middleman (financial institutions). They always get their cut, anyway. So the "energy lost in process", can only come from two places: increased input (=people's pockets), or decreased output (=shrinking economy).

Every intervention, like artificial price reduction in one place (that did not come from the increase in productivity), comes at the expense, that something has to go up in price (=fees, taxes, increased borrowing, etc.) in some other place, with some of the money lost in the process of forcing the funds from one place to another. The harder it is to direct the money in the places, that it doesn't want to go on its own, the more money will be wasted to force that artificial flow of capital. Eventually, all the efforts would go to waste, and the capital won't be flowing in the desired direction anyway. Simple thermodynamics
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:34 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by bushi View Post:
...economy would collapse, not because tiny silver content in "everyday" products, but it would collapse in two steps: first, it would collapse "too big to fail" banks, with their massive naked shorts in paper silver markets, ...
They set up us the derivative bomb.
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Old 07-25-2012, 10:37 AM   #6
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Until the paper pile is burned down to the ground, we will never see the "real price" of silver. When the derivative bomb goes off, it will drag the paper price so low that you will not be able to procure actual metal for any price. this is when we will see the magic slingshot effect. When the world finally wakes up to the fraud that has been perpetrated on them since the advent of imaginary silver, and when they realize that the LBMA and Comex are giant frauds [as well as SLV and GLD] only then will equillibrium be found.
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Old 07-26-2012, 08:04 AM   #7
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Old 07-26-2012, 08:42 AM   #8
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Yes, recovering the PMs from electronics is not an easy process:

http://www.pmbug.com/forum/f6/learni...d-garbage-768/
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:27 PM   #9
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Legally it should be illegal to sell paper silver. it masks the real supply and demand of the objects. no one really knows how much silver is available as an investment. this is why i try to buy as much physical as i can
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