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Old 05-10-2012, 01:16 PM   #1
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Fish farming

I do not understand long term storage of more than one year of food. If things are bad enough that you can not buy food for that long, why not grow your own? Along with having a garden, I like the idea of having a stocked pond for protein (property size allowing).

Useful website:
http://fishstocker.com/pondinfo.aspx

One warm weather pond example is Bluegills, Fathead minnows, Grass Carp, Largemouth Bass, Redear Sunfish, optional Channel Catfish, optional Black Crappie

As long as you do not overfish the pond, it will continually provide a protien source. The amount you can harvest depends on the work you put into the pond.

"Well managed ponds not fed, fertilized or aerated should support 300 to 500 pounds of fish per acre. Fed, fertilized or aerated ponds can support 800 to 1000 pounds of fish per acre."

For cold weather areas, trout ponds may make more sense:
http://mtnfootfarm.net/index_files/Page395.htm

Extremely detailed instructions for raising fish focused on carp and tilapia:
http://www.journeytoforever.org/farm_library/AD15.pdf

Write up on fresh water fish farming:
http://www.cd3wd.com/cd3wd_40/cd3wd/...7fe/en/b92.htm

More advanced write up of fresh water fish farming
http://www.cd3wd.com/cd3wd_40/cd3wd/...be/en/b100.htm

Using duck weed to feed fish farm carp:
http://www-wds.worldbank.org/externa...multi_page.pdf

Compilation of fish farming articles:
http://www.journeytoforever.org/farm_pond.html
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:25 AM   #2
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This is EXACTLY the sort of resource I'm looking for at this time. I'm prepping the backyard for my test of an aquaponic setup before expanding it with a few more grow beds and an additional aquaculture tank.

Thanks for the post!
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Don't over do it on the vegetation like you did before, goofy!
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Spiral - See also this thread: http://www.pmbug.com/forum/f6/1-mill...d-3-acres-105/
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Originally Posted by KMS View Post:
Don't over do it on the vegetation like you did before, goofy!
That is why some people add in the grass carp to keep the vegetation down.
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Originally Posted by benjamen View Post:
That is why some people add in the grass carp to keep the vegetation down.
..I was about to write about "white amur", as it is known in eastern Yurp/ Russia (where it comes from) - only to learn that it is called "grass carp" over there .

...confirmed - that fish is sometimes called "a pig", as it eats everything green. When they started to build nuclear plant in Poland, that was to be cooled by the nearby lake, there was a concern that the lake will overgrow with vegetation, due to increased avg temps - amur was the answer. I never had it myself, but reportedly, it is quite tasty as well.
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Old 05-12-2012, 02:18 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by PMBug View Post:
Spiral - See also this thread: http://www.pmbug.com/forum/f6/1-mill...d-3-acres-105/
I recall that post, and I actually ended up ordering Bernstein's book, as well as another (more geared to a buddy of mine who has more acreage, but wants to keep his food growing footprint small as he rotates):




I'm about 60 pages into the Aquaponics book (didn't really feel like sifting through forums for that hobby/adventure), have only opened the Mini Farming book twice and read some things about seed storage and germination.

I'll report back a bit more on them in this thread or elsewhere.

Big picture: farming and agriculture have now skipped two generations in my family, so I'm trying to revive the interest and our family's natural green thumb (we all grow indoor plants and have great decorative gardens, but I always get curious as to why nobody gets more serious about vegetables and simple herbs.)
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New addition to useful pond farming links:
http://forums.pondboss.com/

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excellent. Did you see the doomsday preppers thing? Go to 4:55:


having posted this, I do realize it's OTT, but I would like to try some aquaculture.
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Originally Posted by benjamen View Post:
I do not understand long term storage of more than one year of food. If things are bad enough that you can not buy food for that long, why not grow your own?
Are you going to grow your own salt, pepper, coffee, rice, corn oil? Some things are easier to stock up on. Even if the stuff never hits the fan, you can fight inflation by buying large supplies of things that don't spoil.

If I had more storage space, I would buy a lifetime supply of salt and TP. Srsly!
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...wow, lifetime supply of TP, that would be a sight to behold! Are you so full of it, mike?
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Originally Posted by mike View Post:
Are you going to grow your own salt, pepper, coffee, rice, corn oil? Some things are easier to stock up on. Even if the stuff never hits the fan, you can fight inflation by buying large supplies of things that don't spoil.

If I had more storage space, I would buy a lifetime supply of salt and TP. Srsly!
Funny, in asia there is no toilet paper. You get a cup of water (tabo). Amerikans are gonna freak....
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Here on the Space Coast, we have ponds and lakes everywhere. The best part is that many of them are not well known by a lot of folks and can be fished regularly without interruption. I would say that the ratio of land to lakes/ponds is around 2.5/1 here.
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Funny, in asia there is no toilet paper. You get a cup of water (tabo). Amerikans are gonna freak....
yeah, ideally from the same type of cup as they use in the adjoining restaurant .......

good honest dirt never did anyone any harm
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Originally Posted by rblong2us View Post:
yeah, ideally from the same type of cup as they use in the adjoining restaurant .......

good honest dirt never did anyone any harm
I'm on a lot of "doomer" blogs, and it never ceases to amaze me that real die hard preppers never consider what they are going to do when there is no TP. And you can bet there won't be when the trucks stop (at least not for long).
And the cup is called a tabo, and I always tell guests NOT to drink out of the cup in the bathroom....
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