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Old 04-14-2012, 10:11 AM   #1
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The one Firearm you would take with you...

If you had to "bug out" FAST, and only had time to grab one firearm, what would be the one firearm you would take with you?

For me it would have to be my Glock MOD.23
Light, sturdy, simple and will always work...
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:24 AM   #2
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AR with 1x4 scope,quick detatch mount,back up iron sights,plenty of extra loaded magazines in drag bag.
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If I had to really leave that fast, with absolutely zero time to get anything else, I would already be carrying my Sig 9mm Parabellum. So, given that I am always carrying that, I will stretch the rules and posit that since I still have time to grab and go, I would snatch up my AR-15 which already has 6 loaded 30 rnd. mags in the gun rug pockets, two of which are filled with TAP. If I have to forfeit that time back because I am already carrying, I will have to make do with the 9mm and one extra mag.
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The ray gun from Call of Duty zombies.
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Originally Posted by dali lambone View Post:
The ray gun from Call of Duty zombies.
Oh my Gawd, yes.
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Arkad, where are you man? I am interested to know what you think about my proposition. If I already carry a weapon and extra mag, do I still get to grab-and-go? Is it somehow an unfair "advantage"? After all, if the time is available to grab a gun, yet I already have one, it simply makes sense that I would grab a battle rifle [carbine W/16" barrel actually] and go. I already have a fat BOB in the truckster. Does the family get to grab and go as well? Can one grab a rifle and the other load a crate of ammo instead of grabbing a weapon? If I have my carry piece and so does the wife, my kid could grab a crate or two of 5,56 and the wive could grab a case of 9mm, while I would grab the carbine. We would then be pretty well situated to repel zombies. There are of course, endless permutations of the situation posed, but if it is simply an exercise using time as the only denominator, that is how I would use it.

Of course, the ray gun is my first choice, but I don't have that kind of scratch, so I have to use conventional.....I'm just saying.

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12 gauge shotgun
Concur...

Load out both slug and 00...versatility...max displacement.
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Originally Posted by vox View Post:
Concur...

Load out both slug and 00...versatility...max displacement.
If we're talking about repelling zombies and the Golden Horde, there used to be a company called Blammo Ammo that sold some CRAZY shit for 12 gauge shells. They had some evil shit called 'fleschettes, which are long narrow triangles with sharpened edges, I think about thirty of them went in the shell. When fired in to thick cover like bushes and such, they would flush the fuckers out in one quick hurry. They had a thing with two lead balls and a thirty inch piece of wire between them. Think bolo, but moving at near the speed of sound. Nasty! Another one [quite over hyped, but with it's uses] called Dragon's Breath, which was titanium powder which is ignited as it travels down the bore with burning magnesium powder, again, approaching the speed of sound, so that it exits the barrel, travels about 2 - 300 feet in a huge fire-trail of thousand degree burning metal vapor.

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Yeah, there's a lot of "it depends" here.

If it's really just start running now and grab what you can as you leave (no breaking stride), I'd be happy with either of my (rolling armory) vehicles, which I have to go past to get out the door anyway. Maybe I'd add a handgun, whatever the "ready gun" on the shelf by the door is at the time, or the rifle hanging over it. (Cars have high cap pistols and ammo in .45 and .38 already). If I get to take the car/truck, rather than have to run straight back into the woods, I'm golden already.

If I had just a few more seconds, the choice is more difficult, but probably one of my long range bench-rest (sniper) rifles. Handguns are what you use to fight your way to the rifle, right?

Where I live, a shotgun is pretty useless (other than fun with clays and crows) - you're not going to get an in-range shot that doesn't expose you badly to return fire - even some handguns reach out better, so I prefer a standoff weapon.

While I have AR's in both .223 and .308, the proper use of a standoff weapon is not to take many shots (or not one right after the other) - you give away your position to potentially superior forces doing that, and those battle rifles aren't that great "at range", where I prefer any enemies to be. The .223 kinda runs out of ambition at about 400 yds, and most can't shoot one well at even 200 (even by then you're calculating bullet drop at the estimated range), so...

So, of all things, probably a bolt action in 6.5mm, or .308 for the long range stuff, as the handguns easily handle the close in stuff with plenty of firepower. My bolts are much more accurate than the assault rifles are, and my assault rifles are *good*.

I think it's a function of the likely terrain, primarily. I live in the woods and hills, with a lot of places to just hunker down and disappear, and many ways out that would be very hard for an opponent to guard most of - you could probably even avoid airborne FLIR here if you knew a couple tricks (I do).

In a city, you don't get the long shots unless you're up in a building or something. That's trapping yourself if you think you're going to have to move - even Hollywood gets that one - when the perp runs up into a building, it's the end for him, surrounded and defeated in detail at the other guy's leisure.

One shot - they know where you are to within 20% in range and 30 degrees of angle. Two and every ear, eye, and weapon is turned your way. Three and your insurance premiums are only going up. (Maj John Plaster, paraphrased)

This is why so many teach "tactical situational awareness". Not to mention "pre performance visualization". If you've got a zombie horde - yeah, get the high cap close-in battle rifle, but you're doomed if they're all armed and close enough for that to work, and if they aren't mostly armed - why do you need it?

Of course, one of my hi cap pistols is a carbon-15 in .223 which can do more than one kind of service, other than making me the envy of every teen for miles. But it's also the second noisiest and muzzle flashiest of all my guns (the .50 bmg takes those prizes, but not by very much). I keep that one on a pull out shelf under my bed...the idea being it looks so intimidating with a 40 rd clip, I might not have to shoot.

He who shoots and runs away, lives to shoot another day...
The other good saying is that if you find yourself in a fair fight - shoot the planner first, that's just not supposed to be allowed to happen!

I guess best would be to have prepared a hide or two, with arms there already.
Remember that Mel Gibson movie, "The patriot" where he really foxes out the enemy because he did that? In more modern times, all those different weapons "signatures" can provide the impression of more guys than you've got - can be useful.

But I don't like leaving good hardware out in the woods...if you pack it up corrosion proof, it's going to be hard to get into the package quickly and noiselessly. And in that situation, it will matter.

If we are just talking fantasy land, well, I tend to have a lot of tannerite in stock. Imagine having concealed a bunch here and there in the trees. "Imagine their surprise" when stuff near them starts exploding (and completely masking their ability to tell where the shot came from). Kind of like the scene in "hard target" except this stuff is a lot more dramatic than booze as a booby trap.
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DCFusor said: He who shoots and runs away, lives to shoot another day...
The other good saying is that if you find yourself in a fair fight - shoot the planner first, that's just not supposed to be allowed to happen!


DC, that method is the Parthian method. Ever hear the term "Parting shot"? Actually, it is Parthian shot, becaus as they ran away, they would shoot over their shoulder to keep you at bay, thus buying distance between them and you as well as more escape time. Sting and run. Every wounded enemy requires two healthy troops to carry and tend his wounds. He also still has to eat.

DCFusor said: If we are just talking fantasy land, well, I tend to have a lot of tannerite in stock.


I thought I was the only one. That shit can, if properly done, be set up literally months in advance. If placed in a vac-seal food preservation pouch, it can be painted, concealed with light brush, no trespassing signs or whatever. If a rack of that shit goes off ten feet from your head, you will be deaf for a month, most likely shell shocked and probably flash blinded if you are facing it. Tannerite is awesome exploding target playtime funnness!!

BTW, just for knowing THAT, DC rocks the fucking neighborhood! You can come over and drink my beer any time!
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:43 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by ancona View Post:
Arkad, where are you man? I am interested to know what you think about my proposition. If I already carry a weapon and extra mag, do I still get to grab-and-go? Is it somehow an unfair "advantage"? After all, if the time is available to grab a gun, yet I already have one, it simply makes sense that I would grab a battle rifle [carbine W/16" barrel actually] and go. I already have a fat BOB in the truckster. Does the family get to grab and go as well? Can one grab a rifle and the other load a crate of ammo instead of grabbing a weapon? If I have my carry piece and so does the wife, my kid could grab a crate or two of 5,56 and the wive could grab a case of 9mm, while I would grab the carbine. We would then be pretty well situated to repel zombies. There are of course, endless permutations of the situation posed, but if it is simply an exercise using time as the only denominator, that is how I would use it.

Of course, the ray gun is my first choice, but I don't have that kind of scratch, so I have to use conventional.....I'm just saying.

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WOW, I have to check this more often... this topic went a bit awry...
Actually, I posed this question because someone asked me what I felt was the best choice for a "survival" firearm to grab and go, if needed.
They know I have a background in a specific field in which I have acquired a skill set relevant to the subject.
At first, I thought I had a real good idea of "the one firearm" but now I'm not so sure... Now I can see that this is going to depend on so many factors, that it will need to be approached differently with each individual.
This question really is not a problem for most of the people in my "loop" as like most here, they are... lets say... "well equipped".
Some people that I have talked to have no experience (at all) with firearms, but feel that they are just not as prepared as they could be, if they were to arm themselves.
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Damn only one... I had to think about this for a second but I would have to grab the 12 gauge mossburg pump w/ pistol grip... versitile, powerful, and reliable.
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Originally Posted by white&yellow999 View Post:
Damn only one... I had to think about this for a second but I would have to grab the 12 gauge mossburg pump w/ pistol grip... versitile, powerful, and reliable.
See...that's _all_ I'm sayin'...
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I still think you need to work out the probable use-case. Can't shove a shotgun into a pocket and travel silently - and concealed carry - not always wise to show everyone you are armed - information asymmetry disadvantage. Can't use it effectively at any but short range, which makes even a bad shot able to hit you back....and so on. Sure, if you're the aggressor, you can't beat one for clearing a room...but for defense, not so great in a lot of possible situations.

Looking at it in reverse, as a defender, I really hope all my attackers have is shotguns, because they'll never get into range on me - even if all I have is my little .38. When the DEA raided my place (victim of profiling, we were innocent) out of all those guys, only one had a shotgun. It was largely handguns (.40's, glocks - 6 or 7), 3 mp5's, one sniper and one shotgun, FWIW. They seemed to know their business, mostly.
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I love my 12ga pump as much as the next guy, but if I had 3 seconds to grab something as I ran for the hills or whatever, it would be my rifle, which is a 7.62 semi auto.
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Sorry for the late arrival. I would already be carrying my Springfield XD40 w/ spare mag. like previously mentioned, if the "one gun you would grab if time permitted" still applies to those who are already carrying, I would grab my Norenco Mak90 7.62 in one hand, and a full ammo can in the other.

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Or vice versa. Plenty of beer and amusing neighbors here, as well. Y'all come visit any time. Nice pistol/rifle range in the back, also. It's a pretty fun place to be.
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Great thread, I wished I had dropped by earlier as well.

Since I live in a condo and don't anywhere else to run to, I'd just have to keep my AK and my 9 mm Beretta close at hand.

But, I sure wouldn't mind having the ray gun or the mini-gun either...
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