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Old 05-04-2012, 12:22 AM   #1
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“We are Preparing for Massive Civil War,” Says DHS Informant

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“We are Preparing for Massive Civil War,” Says DHS Informant
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In a riveting interview on TruNews Radio, Wednesday, private investigator Doug Hagmann said high-level, reliable sources told him the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is preparing for “massive civil war” in America.

“Folks, we’re getting ready for one massive economic collapse,” Hagmann told TruNews host Rick Wiles.

“We have problems . . . The federal government is preparing for civil uprising,” he added, “so every time you hear about troop movements, every time you hear about movements of military equipment, the militarization of the police, the buying of the ammunition, all of this is . . . they (DHS) are preparing for a massive uprising.”

Hagmann goes on to say that his sources tell him the concerns of the DHS stem from a collapse of the U.S. dollar and the hyperinflation a collapse in the value of the world’s primary reserve currency implies to a nation of 311 million Americans, who, for the significant portion of the population, is armed.

Uprisings in Greece is, indeed, a problem, but an uprising of armed Americans becomes a matter of serious national security, a point addressed in a recent report by the Pentagon and highlighted as a vulnerability and threat to the U.S. during war-game exercises at the Department of Defense last year, according to one of the DoD’s war-game participants, Jim Rickards, author of Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis.

Through his sources, Hagmann confirmed Rickards’ ongoing thesis of a fear of a U.S. dollar collapse at the hands of the Chinese (U.S. treasury bond holders of approximately $1 trillion) and, possibly, the Russians (threatening to launch a gold-backed ruble as an attractive alternative to the U.S. dollar) in retaliation for aggressive U.S. foreign policy initiatives against China’s and Russia’s strategic allies Iran and Syria.

“The one source that we have I’ve known since 1979,” Hagmann continued. “He started out as a patrol officer and currently he is now working for a federal agency under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland Security; he’s in a position to know what policies are being initiated, what policies are being planned at this point, and he’s telling us right now—look, what you’re seeing is just the tip of the iceberg. We are preparing, we, meaning the government, we are preparing for a massive civil war in this country.”

“There’s no hyperbole here,” he added, echoing Trends Research Institute’s Founder Gerald Celente’s forecast of last year. Celente expects a collapse of the U.S. dollar and riots in America some time this year.

Since Celente’s ‘Civil War’ prediction of last year, executive orders NDAA and National Defense Resources Preparedness were signed into law by President Obama, which are both politically damaging actions taken by a sitting president.

And most recently, requests made by the DHS for the procurement of 450 million rounds of hollow-point ammunition only fuels speculation of an upcoming tragic event expected on American soil.

These major events, as shocking to the American people as they are, have taken place during an election year.

Escalating preparatory activities by the executive branch and DHS throughout the last decade—from the Patriot Act, to countless executive orders drafted to suspend (or strip) American civil liberties “are just the beginning” of the nightmare to come, Hagmann said.

He added, “It’s going to get so much worse toward the election, and I’m not even sure we’re going to have an election in this country. It’s going to be that bad, and this, as well, is coming from my sources. But one source in particular said, ‘look, you don’t understand how bad it is.’ This stuff is real; these people, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), they are ready to fight the American people.”

TruNews‘ Wiles asked Hagmann: who does the DHS expect to fight, in particular? Another North versus South, the Yankees against the Confederates? Hagmann stated the situation is far worse than a struggle between any two factions within the U.S.; it’s an anticipated nationwide emergency event centered on the nation’s currency.

“What they [DHS] are expecting, and again, this is according to my sources, what they’re expecting is the un-sustainability of the American dollar,” Hagmann said. “And we know for a fact that we can no longer service our debt. There’s going to be a period of hyperinflation . . . the dollar will be worthless . . . The economic collapse will be so severe, people won’t be ready for this.”
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Read it, quite honestly not sure what to discuss about it. They have had Jim Rickards, author of Currency Wars, and Jim Willie of the Golden Jackass, as guests in the past apparently.

This example below seems like the only 'crazy' recent guest/post/subject matter.

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Friday April 27, 2012

Guest: Cliff Harris

Topic: Climatologist Cliff Harris discusses topics ranging from weather modification, chemtrails, earthquake detonators, geoengineering, and recent extreme weather patterns on todays program.
Definitely NOT trying to blow holes in the story, Vox, but I am trying to make sense of the reliability of the source of this story, article and author.
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It's the elephant in the DHS room. Most everyone who has been paying attention to the news and can add 2 + 2 can see the screws tightening. I bleat on in other circles about certain political issues - especially ones that I see as dangerous infringements on civil liberties because of my family's experience surviving Peron's Dirty War in Argentina. Most Americans are still either oblivious or in denial (it can't happen here).
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It would explain all the ammo they're buying. But the people will not have a civil war without "help" from the government, who is constantly trying to divide us and pit us against each other.
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Ummmm......guns, beans, bullets, band-aids............maybe a little single malt to take off the edge....
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Originally Posted by PMBug View Post:
It's the elephant in the DHS room. Most everyone who has been paying attention to the news and can add 2 + 2 can see the screws tightening. I bleat on in other circles about certain political issues - especially ones that I see as dangerous infringements on civil liberties because of my family's experience surviving Peron's Dirty War in Argentina. Most Americans are still either oblivious or in denial (it can't happen here).
Or they think it won't happen to them specifically, because they're good law-abiding American citizens, not some drug dealers or something.

Might as well get a jump on the crowd and have my SSN tatooed on my forearm.
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Old 05-04-2012, 09:11 AM   #7
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well it all seems quite obvious, you do not issue executive orders like the one el presidento Obama did (one: keep in custody, or execute citizens on a mere ACCUSATION of being a POTENTIAL terrorist threat, second: to seize privately ownd guns, ammo, water, food, drugs, fuel, farm supplies, fertilizers, farm machinery (...) - on a whim of govt agencies), if you do not think they might come in handy some time in the future.

So I'd say yes, it seems quite obvious and just follows logically, that they did some simple arithmetic that high school students can do, and more importantly, the potential (inevitable?) global outcome, of collapsing dollar. And they do their best to prepare. Constitution and other stuff aside, there's no time for that in emergency, apparently.

Which only worries me more, as it seems the end game is approaching quickly.
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Old 05-04-2012, 09:28 AM   #8
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Not civil war, puleese - where's the lethal hate between two well defined groups? Oh, it's between all of "we the people" and the government. That's not civil war, that's revolt!
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Old 05-04-2012, 10:46 AM   #9
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I don't think we will have civil war per se, but there will likely be lots of internicine battles between various racial groups and certainly the well off will become targets. My wife constantly breaks my balls because I simply will not beautify opur yard. I let the grass get too long before cutting and no longer do the weed-n-feed thing. My yard looks like absolute hell and that is the way I want it. The last thing we need is to be identified as someone who either has something or someone who may actually give a shit. I want to be invisible.
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When governments are preparing for problems, it doesn't mean they are preparing for a specific problem.

Maybe it's a terror attack, natural disaster or economic collapse. We have no way of knowing. The NDAA and National Defense Resources Preparedness acts suggest they are preparing for potential conflict with US citizens. When it comes to that, I would recommend not being in the USA for a few years
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Jim Rogers predicting riots in USA.
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Well, you don't create this sort of NDAA police state for any of those, Derek. You don't arm a bunch of non military police with millions of rounds for a terror attack that historically would only take a few. You don't pass laws that say they can take anything they want on a whim for much else either - maybe a natural disaster, but they've not really shown much worry about being ready for those (see all history, FEMA sucks and never gets any attention to better prep).

We can't know of course. But the fact that we've also recently had huge increases in the amount of communications interception for domestic communication is suggestive itself - they know at least some of what we're thinking about them. And they'd have to notice that outside the usual tinfoil hat crowd, that those of us who are upset aren't the ranting losers of society, but the movers and shakers, the opinion makers.
The ones hard to just "disappear", or coerce, without raising even more fuss.

If that sort of thing happens, I think it'll be bad here and everywhere, but they'll have their hands really full of the active anti-government types, so just keeping a low profile might be enough. You might play both sides, in terms of letting the gov think you support them, while not actually doing so - passive obstructive or as an active double agent. One thing is certain - individual resourcefulness will be key; you'd need that to bug out with success as well - it's just key no matter what.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:14 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by dereksatkinson View Post:
When governments are preparing for problems, it doesn't mean they are preparing for a specific problem.

Maybe it's a terror attack, natural disaster or economic collapse. We have no way of knowing. The NDAA and National Defense Resources Preparedness acts suggest they are preparing for potential conflict with US citizens. When it comes to that, I would recommend not being in the USA for a few years
...but then, you have the law of unintended consequences - they might have even the purest ideas in mind (but I won't bet my money on it), but even so, the framework for 100% totalitarian country has been laid, and is in place - all that is needed, is some serious social troubles, and some strong, maybe even somehow extremist leader emerging from it - "fuhrer", as known in some other language - and he will put them executive orders to a good use in no time, detaining (at best)/killing(most probably, in due course) any potential opposition. And with time, as many examples shows - dictators turn to be more and more paranoid, and tighten the screws even tighter. And it usually takes decades, and international help & tail-winds for the opposition, to ever overthrow them. But who will be helping to overthrow American dictatorship, if it ever takes hold???

People usually do not realize, how thin line there is between a democracy, and dictatorship/totalitarianism, they do not understand the absolute power that totalitarian state can execute over any citizen/individual, until it its much too late for any individual actions.

...and what would you do, if things REALLY turn that bad, that you realize you need to stand up and fight for the freedom of your country, if you woke up one day, after months of food riots, mayhem on the streets and in the economy, with all the news tubes barking that "the new leadership have emerged, who will grasp the throats of greedy bankers and other capitalist swines, to provide food for you and your children, and to do so, they will execute all the powers granted by these totalitarian executive orders, as a matter of a higher national necessity"?

would you get out on the streets, to demonstrate, to oppose the suppression? All of the society at once? Somehow, cannot see that national coordinated union. So, if it is not the whole society at once - fine, they will just deploy army on you, scatter the mob, capture the leaders. That will teach the mob, and all leaders/activists will be detained, as "threats to national security". Meantime, all the official tubes will be barking, that the glorious government and their heroic US soldiers, have managed to suppress the gangs of rioters, looters, and "enemies of the people", and they will all be detained according to these special executive orders.

So then, would you conspire, to overthrow the govt? Fine, you are on their target list from that day on, as a "potential threat to..." you know the drill.

There is not so much that individual might do, when faced with the power of the totalitarian state, much less so in the era of digital BigBrother, where almost ALL of your potential activity is being traced. There were individuals opposing Hitler in Nazi's Germany, there were individuals opposing Staling in Russia, there were individuals and organised resistance in Poland after WW2. God only knows where their remains are laid to rest, and everybody in these countries is very well aware of sadism, tortures, murders, mass-murders and all other atrocies you can think of, performed on the the members of the opposition, true patriots, true intellectual ellite. Ooops, I shall say: "enemies of the people", like they were called back then, "reactionists", "serving hidden imperialistic agendas, to destroy the brave new system of social justice, Communism". "Reactionists" of yesterday, or tomorrow's "terrorists" - they will be the same kind of people. The ones merely inconvenient for government, and potential opposition leaders. Once they remove freedoms, they are free to name them as they wish, and do whatever they wish with any kind of opposition.

I have no illusion - if it wasn't for USSR empire already collapsing on it's own, and Gorbachev's "perestroyka", that created possible conditions for "Solidarity" movement in my country and blood-less takeover of power, I would be still living behind an iron curtain today, doing God knows what, not being able to freely communicate, travel, even speak publicly my mind, if it is not party-approved point of view. And it took three generations of misery after WW2 in my country, to reverse the course, and six generations overall, for it to collapse. In the meantime - people were born, who didn't know the other reality, than totalitarianism. Society has changed, deeply, values hve changed. That is why I am not living there anymore - it has changed too much, so I'd be accepting it as a sane society, collectively.

It deeply, deeply freaks me out to see both world superpowers (China/USA), one being wholesome totalitarian country, the other turning incredibly fast into a totalitarianism/fascism, to a degree that LAWS are put in place to justify totalitarian actions - back then, most of these repressions by communists were still carried out, while being illegal - imagine how it is going to be, if they start with a LEGAL framework for them?

But hey, what can I do. If sheeple were even slightly interested to listen, I would talk to them. As it is - try to prepare for the storm, lay low, stay invisible - in that way, like Fusor said - not make it worth their hassle of going after me.

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Whether this source is correct or not, it is a fact that an economic upheaval is coming to America. All that source does for me is to confirm what I have been saying for years - civil war is coming to your city and millions, maybe a hundred million, of Americans will die in the process.

Who is going to fight? When the SHTF our infrastructure will break down and millions will be starving. We are going to see a civil war on all fronts as people try to survive. It will be race against race as fomented by the PTB as well as the starving unprepared against the prepared. On top of that, it will be "us" against "them". It is going to be a huge bloodbath when it happens. The absolute worst places to be will be in the populated areas, the more people the worse it will be. That is one reason why it is imperative to get out of the city to an extremely rural area where one has a chance to survive.

Interestingly, any kind of civil war will hit the liberals the hardest because they are living off of the dole and cannot prepare. And the liberals tend to gravitate to the most populous areas. If a hundred million Americans die, mostly in the urban areas, the political landscape will end up being overwhelmingly conservative.

The worst part of such a civil war is that it will open the door for a foreign power to conquer America. If indeed it gets so bad that 100 million Americans die, America would be so weak that she could not fend off a determined enemy.

I don't know how much credence I can attribute to this, but Independence Day 2012 appears to be a critical turning point for America and maybe the world. For anyone who subscribes to any 1260 day theory that day lines up for two different 1260 'day' scenarios.

First, the 4th of July 2012, is exactly 1260 days after the inauguration of Obama, which to me implies 'Independence' from the 'king' all over again, just like in 1776. There has been no other line up for any other President in the history of America.

Second, it is also exactly 2620 (1260 times 2) years from 509BC when a Roman civil war overthrew the Roman Kingdom preparing the way for the Roman Empire. This today could mean that the European mess could be solved on that day preparing the way for a modern Roman Empire.

That is pure speculation, but considering what we see happening in the world around us, is entirely possible. We are exactly two months away, so we won't have long to wait to see if there are any correlations. And if such correlations do occur, we can expect similar correlations in the religious landscape of the world 75 days later.
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That internet kill switch thingie seems to have been done in anticipation of this, not for the stated reason, which would be worse than the attack it was supposed to help prevent.

Those of us who built the inet and other comm systems might have a trick or few up our sleeves "in the event". There's been quite a lot on Slashdot about building peer to peer wireless networks out of commodity hardware we all own already (just flash the router) for countries that shut down their Internet trying to prevent "Arab Spring" from taking hold. And some of us know how to break what we made, far better than any johnny come lately hacker type.

We just don't do that now - it's a cool toy, it was hard work to design, and it makes us money now. Current hackers aren't a patch on what would be let loose when you really offend the "good guys" - believe me.

But yes, we have here a pattern of behavior that indicates the government is in no way looking out for our welfare, but its own. The only way they can stretch that to an excuse is that civil unrest isn't good for us...we might hurt one another accidentally - and we might. But you don't need all this draconian crap to prevent/control that (see, Greece, who had a bit of dustup, but nothing special under conditions at least as bad) - you only need it to install and maintain a dictatorship.

That's an interesting observation on the conservative/liberal fallout. Of course, the "evil gun freaks" could easily be vilified and blamed in that case...not much someone can't spin either way.
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Well, now:
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I've got a sudden desire to rewatch the original The Prisoner tv series.
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For those who have any preconception of what collapse is like, I suggest reading Ferfal. This guy lived through it in the Balkans, watching friends die from small uncomplicated cuts that got infected and others from random sniper fire. Some died of starvation, some sold their bodies for food. It was unimaginable for those who were ill prepared.
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Balkans? I thought Ferfal was from Argentina.
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I'm sorry DDMB. You are right and I was wrong. The guy I am thinking about wrote a pretty interesting story about life during the war in the balkans, and Ferfal wrote about the Argentine collapse.

Thanks for pointing that out.

I will now look for a link to the story
I was thinking about, it's pretty well done and paints a very stark picture about life within collapse.
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