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Old 09-11-2013, 07:24 PM   #1
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9/11 Ten reasons why the hijackers were fake.

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Old 09-11-2013, 07:31 PM   #2
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If your point is to show that there are crazy people in the US this clip certainly demonstrates it. This guy is nuts. I don't think it is appropriate, and you should remove it, or disavow it, or explain why you think it belongs here today of all days?
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If your point is to show that there are crazy people in the US this clip certainly demonstrates it. This guy is nuts. I don't think it is appropriate, and you should remove it, or disavow it, or explain why you think it belongs here today of all days?
Oh, sorry it offended you. I didn't realize you believed the party line.

Actually, I ran across it while watching the video on the engineers who determined that the government explanation of the tower collapse was impossible. And why don't they ever mention the third tower falling? (If you ask ten strangers, I almost guarantee that no one has ever heard of the third trade center falling).

Not to minimize the tragic loss of life.
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Originally Posted by Aubuy View Post:
If your point is to show that there are crazy people in the US this clip certainly demonstrates it. This guy is nuts. I don't think it is appropriate, and you should remove it, or disavow it, or explain why you think it belongs here today of all days?
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:29 PM   #5
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Seriously Jay, it's OK to be slightly mis-trustful of what the media says, but in order for our government to do this you have to accept that so many people in the US are beyond evil and cold blooded (even President Bush had a friend on one of the airplanes) to come up with this plan you might as well climb into your bomb shelter now and lock the door. In the meantime Al Queda is still blowing things up and killing people all over the place, so how do you explain why they are able to keep doing this, or is the American Government behind all the other killings in the world too?
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The members here are first class intelects and gentlemen, so eating popcorn before dinner will likely be the most offending part of this thread.


I think there is certainly a middle ground in this situation. Regardless of the origin of the attacks, the .gov and their handlers all jumped on the chance to clamp down and cash out.

Aligning interests are just as powerful, if not more so, than collusion.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:47 PM   #7
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Actually, I ran across it while watching the video on the engineers who determined that the government explanation of the tower collapse was impossible. And why don't they ever mention the third tower falling? (If you ask ten strangers, I almost guarantee that no one has ever heard of the third trade center falling).

Not to minimize the tragic loss of life.
Did not watch the video (can't) nor have I ever done any investigation either pro or con about the towers falling. The following are my thoughts about it from an engineering or builder's point of view.

There is no possible way that the towers could so totally collapse by anything hitting and/or exploding two thirds of the way up the towers. Think about it. Those towers were built, stick at a time from the bottom up. They were SELF-supporting all the way up. Knocking off the tops would STILL leave the rest of the towers SELF-supporting at some point relatively close to the hit, probably at least half way to the top.

Instead, what we have are towers that collapsed as if the planes had hit them at GROUND ZERO. Or as if they had had their FOUNDATIONS knocked out from under them.

And the third tower was not hit by planes, and not knocked down by debris from the other two, yet it also collapsed as if its FOUNDATION had been knocked out from under it.

Needless to say, the official explanation leaves A LOT TO BE DESIRED. And there is a lot more to this puzzle than meets the eye. Whatever happened, thousands of people lost their lives, and if (repeat IF, as I do not know) this was part of a grand conspiracy, then there are a lot of people with blood on their hands that got away Scot-free.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:51 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Aubuy View Post:
Seriously Jay, it's OK to be slightly mis-trustful of what the media says, but in order for our government to do this you have to accept that so many people in the US are beyond evil and cold blooded (even President Bush had a friend on one of the airplanes) to come up with this plan you might as well climb into your bomb shelter now and lock the door. In the meantime Al Queda is still blowing things up and killing people all over the place, so how do you explain why they are able to keep doing this, or is the American Government behind all the other killings in the world too?
you mean alCIAda? (you don't really think we are arming the al quida rebels in Syria because we are worried about gassing children do you?) and why ARE we arming the same people who allegedly knocked down our buildings?

the collapse of the three world trade centers has been researched to death.
Fox announced WTC 7 collapse BEFORE IT FELL ON 9/11:


http://wtc7.net/toc.html
http://www.ae911truth.org/

I would tend to believe 2000 architects and engineers before I would believe the government owned news agencies. but sadly most folks aren't capable of analytical thought. The government says attack the dirty muslims, we attack. My co-worker thinks Edward Snowden should be hanged publicly (he worked for the NSA for ten years). No concern about their illegal actions whatsoever. 9/11 allowed for the coup here in the US. Patriot act, war in Afghanistan and Iraq (that was about the petrodollar and Americas hegemony, not 17 guys in a cave) the DHS which is now the largest government agency, etc.

sec records destroyed in wtc7 collapse:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/010917nyl...streetsecfiles

http://www.scribd.com/doc/147686884/...and-Explosives

I'll stop; you'll either dismiss me as a kook or DYODD. Most of the sheeple have no interest in what happened, as long as they can watch their reality tv and eat their frozen pizza.
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It would take far too many people in the loop to pull something like this off, if it was a government conspiracy, and by now somebody who was inside would be talking. I'm going with Occam's razor.
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It would take far too many people in the loop to pull something like this off, if it was a government conspiracy, and by now somebody who was inside would be talking. I'm going with Occam's razor.
http://www.dailypaul.com/125380/myst...9-11-witnesses
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Did not watch the video (can't) nor have I ever done any investigation either pro or con about the towers falling. The following are my thoughts about it from an engineering or builder's point of view.

There is no possible way that the towers could so totally collapse by anything hitting and/or exploding two thirds of the way up the towers. Think about it. Those towers were built, stick at a time from the bottom up. They were SELF-supporting all the way up. Knocking off the tops would STILL leave the rest of the towers SELF-supporting at some point relatively close to the hit, probably at least half way to the top.

Instead, what we have are towers that collapsed as if the planes had hit them at GROUND ZERO. Or as if they had had their FOUNDATIONS knocked out from under them.

And the third tower was not hit by planes, and not knocked down by debris from the other two, yet it also collapsed as if its FOUNDATION had been knocked out from under it.

Needless to say, the official explanation leaves A LOT TO BE DESIRED. And there is a lot more to this puzzle than meets the eye. Whatever happened, thousands of people lost their lives, and if (repeat IF, as I do not know) this was part of a grand conspiracy, then there are a lot of people with blood on their hands that got away Scot-free.
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It would take far too many people in the loop to pull something like this off, if it was a government conspiracy, and by now somebody who was inside would be talking. I'm going with Occam's razor.
I think it would take much fewer people than you might think.

$ can buy you lots of things. For everything else, you can kill off all their family and friends if they talk.
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Originally Posted by Aubuy View Post:
Seriously Jay, it's OK to be slightly mis-trustful of what the media says, but in order for our government to do this you have to accept that so many people in the US are beyond evil and cold blooded... to come up with this plan....

In fact, NORAD performed similar drills 2 years prior to 9/11, and on 9/11 the DOD and CIA were performing terror scenarios that mirror what actually happened.
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Originally Posted by DSAbug View Post:
I think it would take much fewer people than you might think.

$ can buy you lots of things. For everything else, you can kill off all their family and friends if they talk.
The Manhattan Project employed over 100,000 people who kept their mouths shut.
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The Manhattan Project employed over 100,000 people who kept their mouths shut.
conversely, I'm only one person, and I can't keep my mouth shut
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If 9/11 had been a government conspiracy Obama would have gleefully released that information when he became President. There is no way this would not have been uncovered by now because Obama would be able to use this information to take complete control of our country. Think about that for a minute.

You can't keep this secret because unlike the Manhattan Project thousands of American citizens were killed. Literally millions of people had their lives turned upside down, countries were invaded, thousands more died, and trillions of dollars were wasted and you think it was all based on a lie? You are living in fantasy land if you believe those buildings were dynamited intentionally. They fell because fully loaded airplanes were flown into them by terrorists who hate our country and believed they were going to get a free ticket into heaven. Sad to see so many crazy people on both sides of the argument. Actually kind of terrifying because it's way more than crazy. It's sick.
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Originally Posted by Aubuy View Post:
If 9/11 had been a government conspiracy Obama would have gleefully released that information when he became President.
Because Obama has a different agenda than Bush? So far, they're the same, controlled by the same puppet masters.


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You can't keep this secret because unlike the Manhattan Project thousands of American citizens were killed.
The motivation is the same. The people in the know truly believe they did it for the greater good. Besides that, why does it take a lot of people to pull it off? Planes can be controlled remotely. All it takes is a few people like Cheney giving orders to stand down:
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conversely, I'm only one person, and I can't keep my mouth shut
Me neither! I got a juicy scoop I'm dying to share with you guys, but I gotta make sure I'm right before I come out with it.
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Interesting thread.

As far as the three buildings collapsing in to their own footprint, I take serious issue with that. As it is, I perform millions of dollars of work each year demolishing and dismantling industrial scale structures, many of them steel structures with bar joists and steel pan/concrete decks. I can tell you from first hand experience and observation that even iff you collapse several floors, sequentially, on to the floors below, they simply do not collapse as the three buildings in NYC did on 9/11.

That said, I know nearly nothing about skyscraper construction, but presume that they would have been pretty robust in their construction, and based upon some of the comparatively down-scale demolitions I have performed, none of what I watched unfold on TV that day made any sense. When I read the report put out by those thousands of architects and engineers, I became even more skeptical. As a licensed asbestos abatement contractor in our state, My firm has worked many, many times with the type of spray applied fireproofing used in the construction of all three buildings, and I can tell you that without a doubt, it would have protected the structure and its core from the fires. Irrespective of the materials that would have been knocked off where the plane crashed through, there simply did not appear to be enough fuel to allow the steel to get hot enough to collapse the way it did. Something doesn't fit.

Asbestos is the single greatest building material of all time. It WILL NOT BURN.......period. If used carefully, it is perfectly safe. The spray applied asbestos thermal protection exceeds the requirement for a kerosene fire substantially, so someone needs to explain the molten steel to me, because no matter what, an air/fuel fire simply does not burn hot enough to melt steel.

Was this done by our own government? How would I know if it was or wasn't, but I'm in the group that thinks it unlikely, simply because of the sheer size of the whole thing. There is no way something like that could be kept completely secret.
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