Growing liability of being a citizen of the U.S.


Yellow Jacket
Reaction score
North Dakota
Very few places outside of the U.S. entice me to leave here. I did like the climate description of Port Moresby But I think it's too crowded for me, & not sure about the gun laws there. New Zealand's south island sounds pretty decent to me, and from what I've seen & read, they're fairly close to the U.S. in what they allow for firearms. Just don't know if I could make that move, or any out of country move, certainly not without being pretty much independently wealthy. I have found myself pondering these moves a lot more in the last 8 or 9 years though.
Last edited:


Yellow Jacket
Reaction score
off world
Ever since seeing the see film 'Lord of The Rings' Ive dreamed of living in South Island NZ.

Lots of dirt roads ( and they drive on the left )
Fabulous mountains and fjords
Limited to no building control in the boonies
They speak English
And the highest per capita ownership of diggers of any country !

Its just that Im having too much fun in Blighty otherwise I would try and sneak in.

Think I could blag it as a Vicar or summat as over a certain age they don't let you stay ...


Your Host
Reaction score
NEW YORK, Aug. 6, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- Americans are continuing to renounce their citizenship at the highest levels on record, according to research by the Enrolled Agents and accountants Bambridge Accountants New York.

Record levels of US citizens renouncing
  • 5,816 Americans gave up their citizenship in the first six months of 2020
  • Showing a 1,210% increase on the prior six months to December 2019, where only 444 cases were recorded
  • 2,072 Americans gave up their citizenship in 2019 in total
  • This is the second highest quarter on record; the record is 2,909 cases for the first quarter of 2020
  • It seems that the pandemic has motivated U.S. expats to cut ties and avoid the current political climate and onerous tax reporting

Americans must pay a $2,350 government fee to renounce their citizenship, and those based overseas must do so in person at the U.S. Embassy in their country.

There are an estimated 9 million U.S. expats. The trend has been that there has been a steep decline over the last few years of U.S. citizens expatriating - the first six months of 2020 is a huge increase in the number of Americans renouncing their citizenship.

Under the IRS rules (section 6039g), every three months the U.S. Government publishes the names of all Americans who give up their citizenship. The first six months for 2020 had 5,816 Americans renouncing their citizenship, far more than the total of the four quarters for 2019 (2,072 Americans renounced).

Alistair Bambridge, partner at Bambridge Accountants New York, explains: "There has been a huge turnaround during coronavirus of U.S. expats renouncing, where the figures have been in steep decline since 2017.

More citizens have renounced in 6 months of 2020 than all of 2016 (which was a record year at the time).