Manipulation investigations may have legs

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Normally, my eyes glaze over when I see reports about investigations into precious metals market manipulations. I don't expect any regulators or govco investigators to do anything other sweep dirt under a rug should they happen to see anything (I'm looking at you Bart Chilton and the CFTC). But this is interesting...
... the Swiss competition watchdog just became the latest to enjoin the ongoing gold manipulation probe when as Reuters reported, it launched an investigation into possible collusion in the precious metals market by several major banks, it said on Monday, the latest in a string of probes into gold, silver, platinum and palladium pricing.
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... just like in LIBOR-gate, just like in FX-gate, it is the biggest rat of all, Swiss megabank UBS, that is about to turn on its former criminal peers.

As Bloomberg reported earlier "UBS was granted conditional leniency in Swiss antitrust probe of possible manipulation of precious metal prices, a person with knowledge of the matter said."

Bloomberg adds that the "bank may face lower fine than six other banks and financial firms suspected in probe or may avoid penalty altogether, person says."

Why would UBS do this? The same reason UBS did so on at least on two prior occasions: the regulators have definitive proof it is involved, and gave it the option to turn evidence and to rat out its cartel peers, or face even more massive financial penalties.

UBS promptly chose the former, and took the opportunity to minimize yet another key civil (and criminal) market manipulation charge against it, especially after it was already branded a "criminal recidivist" between Libor, FX and, of course, the tax evasion scandal: one more manipulation scandal and the bank could well lose its license to operate in NYC.

Which simply means that now the official countdown on the announcement of what will be revealed as the biggest gold-manipulation and rigging scandal in history, has begun.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-28/ubs-about-blow-cover-massive-gold-price-rigging-scandal
 

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The tempo DOES seem to have picked up lately re some kind of RESET or whatever. But, all of this has dragged out far longer than I thought it would.

These investigations seem to get a little bit of airtime (in the alt-media, like here or ZH), but then mysteriously disappear... Like no one really wants to investigate...

It MAY be that we will have to wait until something big & obvious (and understandable) hits, like a default on physical gold by the COMEX or whatever.

JESSE at his blog follows gold manipulation closely, and his rhetoric has been ramping up...

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In a surprising development, a group of plaintiffs in an antitrust litigation case against Deutsche Bank, HSBC Bank plc, the Bank of Nova Scotia, and UBS AG, have just announced that Deutsche Bank is in the process of negotiating the formal terms of a settlement agreement with the plaintiffs. Deutsche Bank, HSBC and Scotia are the only members of the London Silver Market Fixing Limited, a private company that had operated the London Silver Fixing auctions until mid August 2014, after which time that auction was superseded by the LBMA Silver Price auction.

The case (# 1:14-md-02573-VEC) is being overseen as a class action suit by federal judge Valerie E Caproni in the US District Court for the Southern District of New York. A large number of different plaintiffs had taken similar actions and the cases were consolidated into one class action suit. The plaintiffs allege in the suit that Deutsche Bank, HSBC and Scotia colluded to fix the price of silver futures by publishing false silver prices, so that they, as members of London Silver Market Fixing Company would benefit (from the price movements).

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In a shocking development for the remaining defendants and the entire future of the current LBMA Silver Price auction, owned by the LBMA, administered in London by Thomson Reuters and calculated by the CME Group, the letter states that:
“In addition to valuable monetary consideration, Deutsche Bank has also agreed to provide cooperation to plaintiffs, including the production of instant messages, and other electronic communications, as part of the settlement. In Plaintiff’s estimation, the cooperation to be provided by Deutsche Bank will substantially assist Plaintiffs in the prosecution of their claims against the non-settling defendants.”
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Coming on the heels of the unresolved and unexplained fiasco that is the LBMA Silver Price auction and the broken promises by the London Bullion Market Association (LBMA) about greater auction transparency and wider participation in the new Silver auction (...) it seems difficult to envisage that the LBMA Silver Price can survive in its current form, with its current participants, of which 2 of the remaining 5 participants are HSBC and Scotia. It will also be interesting to see what the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) will say about this development with Deutsche Bank, especially in light of the fact that HSBC and Scotia are now participating in a ‘Regulated Benchmark’ (the LBMA Silver Price), where price manipulation can be criminally prosecuted.
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More: https://www.bullionstar.com/blogs/r...e-plaintiffs-london-silver-fixing-litigation/

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Whoa! DB is singing like a bird now.
... Reuters reported that Deutsche Bank has also reached a settlement in US litigation alleging the bank conspired to fix gold prices. In other words, hours after admitting it was rigging the silver market, it did the same for gold.

Some more headlines:
  • Reaches settlement in U.S. litigation alleging it conspired to fix gold prices.
  • Plaintiffs' lawyers, in filing, say Deutsche Bank has signed a settlement term sheet
  • Plaintiffs' lawyers say are negotiating formal settlement agreement that would be presented for judge's approval later
  • Plaintiffs' lawyers say settlement contemplates a monetary payment by Deutsche Bank
  • Gold settlement follows similar accord involving alleged silver price-fixing that was disclosed on Wednesday

Most importantly, as the actual settlement reveals, Deutsche has agreed that in addition to once again providing "valuable monetary consideration" which will be paid into a settlement fund, that like in the silver settlement it will provide "cooperation in pursuing claims against the remaining Defendants."
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...its-it-also-rigged-gold-prices-legal-settleme
 

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saw this a few weeks ago Bug

Wondered how I could quantify my losses .........

Its a small but significant chunk of digits every time they knock it down but so hard to know when it was actual market sentiment and what if theres evidence of the price being managed upwards in the 'rinse and repeat' game ?
 

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It's even harder to do when all that shiny you supposedly acquired is sitting at the bottom of a lake somewhere.
 

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yes you further make my case for the difficulty in quantifying.

Apparently it will all come good one day though (-:
 

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So, how about those folks at the CFTC, huh? They sure move fast!

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Late Friday, reports hit Reuters that the CFTC would soon levy fines for "spoofing and price manipulation in the futures markets". Well, just a few minutes ago, we got the news release. You can read it all here:

http://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/pr7681-18

However, to save you some time, here's the most important section:


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https://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/8799/cftc-fines-banks-precious-metal-price-manipulation
 

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spoofing is a bit more subtle than the wholesale dumping of futures on globex in the small hours when theres not much trading.
So why do they only go after the spoofers who 'talk it up/down a bit' then pull their bid ?
How does this differ from the HFT algos that only exist to do this ?

It feels like a show cos 'we probably ought to show everyone we are proper market regulators'

In this article -

http://averybgoodman.com/myblog/201...l-short-covering-dig-in-for-range-bound-play/

he explains how and why the manipulation occurs and talks about 'wash trades' where the banks have a need to make it look like there's a market. These trades are collusion and the regulators are happy to go after the perps but the primary manipulation is a no go area.
 
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An ex-J.P. Morgan Chase trader has admitted to manipulating the U.S. markets of an array of precious metals for about seven years -- and he has implicated his supervisors at the bank.

John Edmonds, 36, pleaded guilty to one count of commodities fraud and one count each of conspiracy to commit wire fraud, price manipulation and spoofing, according to a Tuesday release from the U.S. Department of Justice. Edmonds spent 13 years at New York-based J.P. Morgan until leaving last year, according to his LinkedIn account.

As part of his plea, Edmonds said that from 2009 through 2015 he conspired with other J.P. Morgan traders to manipulate the prices of gold, silver, platinum and palladium futures contracts on exchanges run by the CME Group. He and others routinely placed orders that were quickly cancelled before the trades were executed, a price-distorting practice known as spoofing.

"For years, John Edmonds engaged in a sophisticated scheme to manipulate the market for precious metals futures contracts for his own gain by placing orders that were never intended to be executed," Assistant Attorney General Brian Benczkowski said in the release.

Of note for J.P. Morgan, the world's biggest investment bank by revenue: Edmonds, a relatively junior employee with the title of vice president, said that he learned this practice from more senior traders and that his supervisors at the firm knew of his actions.

Further, Edmond's case stemmed from an "ongoing investigation" run by the FBI's New York field office, the Justice Department said.

Edmonds pleaded guilty under a charging document known as an "information." Prosecutors routinely use them to charge defendants who have agreed to cooperate with an ongoing investigation of other people or entities.

His sentencing is scheduled for Dec. 19. Edmonds faces up to 30 years in prison but is likely to receive less time than that. The guilty plea was entered under seal Oct. 9 and unsealed on Tuesday.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/06/ex-...ds-guilty-to-manipulating-metals-markets.html
 

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Bank of Nova Scotia has set aside C$232 million ($168 million) to cover the cost of winding down its historic precious-metals unit as well as a potential settlement of U.S. investigations into the unit’s trading activities.
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The bank has been caught up in regulatory scrutiny of banks’ precious-metals trading and one of its former traders last year pleaded guilty to trying to manipulate prices through spoofing.

Scotiabank, which had previously disclosed that it was being investigated, on Tuesday said it was “engaging in settlement discussions with the applicable authorities” in relation to probes from the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and the U.S. Department of Justice into its activities in the metals markets.

The C$232 million that Scotiabank set aside in the fiscal year to date was related to both the investigations and the “costs related to the wind-down of the metals business,” the bank said.

$168 million dollars. Is that a slap on the wrist? Without knowing the extent of the nefarious trading, it's hard to say.
 
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