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Old 01-04-2013, 07:38 AM   #1
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Good Firearm Discussion Links

With the recent nationally advertised shootings, I have been having numerous discussions with anti-firearm types. I would like to compile a thread of relavent links, statistics, ect. Feel free to contribute!

More people die from hammers than rifles in the U.S. yearly:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...an-With-Rifles

The U.K. has been a smashing success in gun control...
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...der-rate-soars
14% increase in murders from 1998 to 2007
28% increase in murders with blades
57& increase in murders with hands/feet

http://pjmedia.com/blog/gun-control-...inglepage=true
The U.S. is 92nd in homicide rate among U.N. members despite being number one in firearm ownership by far.
Less violent crime in right to carry states
The higher the Brady grade of state, the higher the violent crime rate

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/...est_media.html
Out of 206 countries, the U.S. is #103 in murder
Murder in the U.S. is at its lowest point since 1911
"...a more heavily armed population goes hand-in-hand with less murder, as an average. The statistics bear that out: the correlation coefficient is negative, -0.23, and it is statistically significant."

http://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31...y+Anarchist%29
"The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.29

The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.33"
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posted your linkys on my wifes FB page (they are all blue dog liberal Obama supporters) heheheheheehee
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:10 AM   #3
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ritain-US.html
Australia violent crime rate: 4.1%
U.K. violent crime rate: 3.6%
U.S. violent crime rate: 2%

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...inion_newsreel
1/3rd of U.S. schools already have armed guards
"One-third of the nation's elementary, middle and high schools reportedly already have armed security on campus. In 2000, President Clinton marked the one-year anniversary of Columbine by proposing a significant expansion of the government's existing "COPS in Schools" program. Now that the National Rifle Association's Mr. LaPierre has made a similar proposal, he is being ridiculed. Why?"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...-lott/1791085/
"With just one exception, every public mass shooting in the USA since at least 1950 has taken place where citizens are banned from carrying guns. Despite strict gun regulations, Europe has had three of the worst six school shootings."

Mass shootings are pretty stable despite various law changes over the past 35 years:
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/dat...165757356.html
It is also interesting to see which states have had the most incidents.
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***** for the links Benjamen!
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:46 AM   #5
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http://westernrifleshooters.wordpres...ecurity-agent/
Long, but great article on the subject on link between government overstep and gun control.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...-data-table-11
FBI data on how homicides broken down by weapon used and situation. Interesting that there is a huge uproar about "assault rifles", yet rifles of all types are only the 7th highest category.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr.../violent-crime
FBI data on everything violent crime related including a nice graphic showing violent crime in the U.S. on a steady decline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate
A bit sparse on total number of countries included, but it does highlight the huge rate of firearm related suicides in the U.S.
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very entertaining 'discussion' ....

Piers Morgan trying to interview Alex Jones on gun control

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-0...ght-cnn-corral
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I saw the Alex Jones vs. Piers Morgan interview, even though what Alex said needed to be said, IMO he should have had a real debate about it and not get hung up on the little stuff and acting immature. We will never get the other side to see our point of view with the radical antics of this guy. Mocking and name calling don't win a debate, even if the other side is wrong...
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Video on the gun culture in Switzerland:
http://worldradio.ch/wrs/news/video/...it.shtml?14430
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Not a discussion link per se, but an interesting rifle with some computer enhancements that would make it so even a relative beginner could get long range hits offhand, which is the only way you'd ever want to shoot a 300 win mag or 338 lapua, believe me - those cripple on the shooter end of things. Especially if shot from the bench where you are leaning into it.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/...he-real-world/

Anybody who buys one and has it shipped to me - I'll make some even better ammo for ya and ship it back after I have a little fun.
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Connecticut already has a ban on assault weapons.
http://www.myrecordjournal.com/state...9bb2963f4.html
"Connecticut is one of seven states with an assault weapons ban."

Currently, in Connecticut, assault weapons are already banned except for police, military, or those that already owned one prior to Oct 1, 1994.
http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/12/...-A-Ban-On.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon
"In Connecticut, an assault weapon is defined as "Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user" (i.e. with fully automatic capability) plus other specific semi-automatic firearms plus other semi-automatic firearms with certain attributes."


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Well, yeah, full auto (mostly useless outside of a battle where you just want the other guy to duck while you run) has always been at best, difficult to obtain. Check the current price of a tommy gun - it's an investment! You can get one if you have the money, and a clean record and do a ton of paperwork to get a "tax stamp" from BATFE. And despite what some states are trying to do, yes, federal gun law takes priority (in both directions - tight or loose) over state laws, that's well settled case law.

As Bruce Schneieir points out in "lexical warfare" - the trouble is that anything that "looks scary" is now being called an assault weapon....even my carry revolver (Taurus ultralight Ti) is a semi-auto by the dictionary definition. And you could even stretch my bump-fire Carbon 15 to the point of calling it full auto (it is if you hold it "wrong").
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@ DCFusor (Jan 9 comment)

Yeah, you & me re the .338 Lapua. I saw one at a gun show, right next to a Barrett .50, and the Lapua looked meaner...

A company in Montana makes one that has a muzzle brake, they claim "modest recoil" (whatever that would mean with such a beast)... Without something like that, just shooting that would dislocate my shoulder.

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Long, but informative article on assault weapons
http://the-american-catholic.com/201...sault-weapons/

"Another way to think of this is: Although there are roughly the same number of rifles and handguns available in the US, handguns are used in homicides at a rate nearly 17 times that of rifles."

"A compilation of 38 sources indicated that AWs accounted for 2% of crime guns on average" (AW = assault weapon)

"The 5.56×45mm NATO round fired by the AR-15 packs a force of 1,300 foot-pounds of energy. The 7.62×39mm fired by the AK-47 is slightly more powerful at 1,500 foot-pounds. However, the .308 Winchester, a common hunting cartridge, is far more powerful than either one at 2,600 foot-pounds."

"The National Institute of Justice study on the AWB reported that only 3% of instances of gun violence involved the firing of more than ten shots"

"given that there are already, by government estimates, 20-30 million magazines holding more than ten rounds in current circulation, even if the manufacture of more were banned, there are so many already available that the ban would do little other than increase the cost."
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yep, AFAIK military rifles were designed with an intent to inflict serious wounds preferably, rather than kill, because one wounded enemy takes three rifles out of the equation (one guy wounded, and two of his colleagues carrying him back/tending to him). Not to mention morale impacts - dead don't scream. Basically wounded soldier ties up more enemy resources than killed one.

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Let's hope they just stick with mag capacity bans....because that's truly a joke, see this:

OK, that guy is ridiculously fast, faster than me. But this guy isn't even as fast as me and he's still not limited by mag capacity.


I guess the net result of lower mag capacity would be such that someone who didn't know how to quick change wouldn't be as effective. I don't really have a problem with that. I think you should have to be good at things to be awesome. It's not like it takes weeks of practice.
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Bushi, your theory is correct - for WWII morals, and there it worked. But Vietnam showed us that in some societies, they just leave the wounded there screaming and keep coming. The world seems a bit less civilized these days. The cong knew this, and the AK is better at outright killing at short ranges (at long ranges, you miss - I've yet to see one shoot inside 2 moa).

But oh yes, both we and the Russians design our military bullets to tumble when hitting something, since the standard war agreements don't allow hollow points.
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Man, they're serious. Here come the false flags - 5 (injuring or killing) shots at gunshows this weekend alone - after years of zero, and a kid with an assault rifle does murder - all on the same day, all in google news today.

Now, how likely is that? They're real serious about loaded weapons at gunshows, and if you bring one in, it's tie wrapped and checked for unloaded. Something is afoot here - I guess the fast and furious guys found another venue?



Sadly, due to weather, I couldn't make it out to the local gunshow this weekend. Bet I could have finally gotten some good prices on guns I'd like to move out from my footprint.
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We have seen this common sense gun control idea before:
http://www.radioshownotes.com/2013/0...-and-guns.html
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Two good sources of law abiding citizens using firearms to defend their property, families, and themselves:
http://gunssavelives.net/
http://www.rationalityrebooted.com/
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The best source I have found thus far:
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

"0.5% of households had members who had used a gun for defense during a situation in which they thought someone "almost certainly would have been killed" if they "had not used a gun for protection."

"...survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year."

"83% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime"

"for every 12 aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders committed in the United States, approximately one person is sentenced to prison for committing such a crime"

"Of 1,662 murders committed in New York City during 2003-2005, more than 90% were committed by people with criminal records"

"the homicide rate in England and Wales has averaged 52% higher since the outset of the 1968 gun control law and 15% higher since the outset of the 1997 handgun ban"

"Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect"

"survey of 14,285 state prison inmates found that among those inmates who carried a firearm during the offense for which they were sent to jail, 0.7% obtained the firearm at a gun show"

"In right-to-carry states, the violent crime rate is 24% lower than the rest of the U.S., the murder rate is 28% lower, and the robbery rate is 50% lower."

"Since the outset of the Florida right-to-carry law, the Florida murder rate has averaged 36% lower than it was before the law took effect"

"In 2007, there were 613 fatal firearm accidents in the United States, constituting 0.5% of 123,706 fatal accidents that year"
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