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Old 03-13-2012, 03:06 PM   #1
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Another tiresome plunge, why is gold down so much?

I checked the usual sites (Turd, ZH, kitco, 24hgold) and nothing yet about gold's majestic $30 dump...

Did they solve Greece?
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Old 03-13-2012, 03:07 PM   #2
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No way, brother. I'd hang on to your hat, and some dry powder over the next couple of weeks.
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Old 03-13-2012, 03:24 PM   #3
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Sorry to back to back post, but a few thoughts on this.

1. QE3 has not been ruled out, however we know they are printing behind the scenes without formal acknowledgement. Matter of fact, the door is still wide open for QE3 when Operation Twist 'expires' at the end of Q2 2012. (correct?)

2. Silver and APPLE are where the winnings are for the 2012 year so far it seems. What are the traders and speculators going to cash in on to collect their winnings if the Greece situation really rears its' head over the next few weeks? I'm honestly expecting this to present a buying opportunity better than Gold 1650 or Silver 33, however I don't have anything to back it up besides a gut feeling. However I have seen charts saying that if silver goes down it's next major support level is ~$26, and then ~$22 after that. Will we see that big of a drop though remains to be seen. Hence, dry powder and waiting like a freaking tiger in the grass as it watches a gazelle at the watering hole.

3. The Dollar index is back above 80. Euros are going to be hurt even more as Greece CDS unfold as far as I can tell. Japanese are still trying to force their Yen down more, so the dollar probably has no where to go but up. Last time the dollar was at 80 in the past 6 months, silver dipped to 26 and Gold was 1600 just after Christmas, if I recall correctly. Fed needs to keep the gains coming with the economy, so if the dollar gets too strong and we lose ground against the other currencies, I think their hand will be forced and QE3 will take place.
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Old 03-14-2012, 10:34 AM   #4
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Sorry to back to back post, but a few thoughts on this.

Never apologize for a back to back post when it is something worthwhile to read!
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:26 AM   #5
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Perhaps the big banks are selling off their paper because they need cash desperately. Perhaps it is concentrated selling by JPM because they "know something" we don't know about yet, so they need to cover that pile of shorts.
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:33 AM   #6
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To me gold looks like it could go down to around 1600, then stop. I don't see it dropping much below 1600 as long as the EU turmoil exists.
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:37 AM   #7
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I am short on PMs in the short term while EU troubles continues to prop the USD.

I am long on PMs overall.
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:56 AM   #8
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ancona - brain fart? You don't cover shorts by selling!

Myself, looking as if the time is near to get some more phys into the core holdings.
1600 looks like a possible bottom to me too. ??? But I often fail at bottomg picking - whatever it is never quite reached my target, or does, bounces a little so I buy, then continues down. Hard to see how gold could go down too much more, though.

I don't have *any* coins yet. OZ's are kinda large for barter, but the premiums are more reasonable? Suggestions? Apmex?
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Old 03-14-2012, 12:04 PM   #9
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Well.. personally i'm a bit more bearish until the market gives me reason not to be. I definitely plan to keep stacking but i'm not overly bullish. Mostly because I think the stock market is probably going to roll over here soon. Plus, the gold shares keep getting smacked as expected and it's probably got another 4-7% downside risk. By my kids birthday, April 4th, I think the bottom will be in and probably retested.
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Originally Posted by DCFusor View Post:
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I don't have *any* coins yet. OZ's are kinda large for barter, but the premiums are more reasonable? Suggestions? Apmex?
Are you talking gold here (not silver)? Some thoughts...

bars vs. coins for traveling / declaring

escobar's gold bullion thread

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I hold various silver products as insurance for barter (SHTF) situations. I see gold more as a longer term wealth preservation, so I personally don't worry about "too large to barter" as an issue. I would go for least premium were I buying today. I bought a few Krugerrands in the past (lower premiums than Eagles and very liquid overseas markets for them), but I will likely be buying bars from now on.

I would suggest looking at goldmart and tulving for gold purchases over apmex. They both had better prices (lower premiums) last I checked.
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Originally Posted by PMBug View Post:
Are you talking gold here (not silver)? Some thoughts...

bars vs. coins for traveling / declaring

escobar's gold bullion thread

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I hold various silver products as insurance for barter (SHTF) situations. I see gold more as a longer term wealth preservation, so I personally don't worry about "too large to barter" as an issue. I would go for least premium were I buying today. I bought a few Krugerrands in the past (lower premiums than Eagles and very liquid overseas markets for them), but I will likely be buying bars from now on.

I would suggest looking at goldmart and tulving for gold purchases over apmex. They both had better prices (lower premiums) last I checked.
Yes, I concur with the Goldmart recommendation. I've been planning on using Goldmart for my next purchase, because it is not large enough to satisfy Tulving's minimum, but is cheaper than APMEX, who I was using.
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Thanks for the tips! My situation is such that I don't think I'd be trading for real little stuff much - around here that's a handshake - or a glance - and owe ya one later rarely even having to be said. It's a pretty cool place to be.

That's what I would have used junk or better silver for, but here there's just little need for that it would seem. Bic lighters, booze, tobacco (and seeds!)...ammo. Or just use of my machines to do a repair...
Favors - a very broad category, but I'm equipped to give and receive those real well these days.

Stuff like a backup generator, or a big can of ammo, or a month's food is more like the trade sizes where things begin to change hands both ways. While I have extra of all those in stock (and other things), those seem to be major trade items in the 1/10 oz of gold range (or a lot more silver). I don't see buying a new car with gold, and around here, a decent used one would go for an ounce (cars are cheap here compared to almost everywhere). For a "maypop" car, an oz would be far too much, and what would you make change with?

I hear you about the wealth preservation (or just plain hiding it, which has some attractions if you're perceived to have "deep pockets"), but any wealth you never use is wasted in my own view, and there's only so much life left in which to do so, so I may not be thinking in the classical "long term" here. In not too many decades I'll be driving a wheelchair, not a hot rod.

Thing is, most of my PM's are in what you'd call "exotic" forms - many gallons of gold (and silver etc) plating solution, physics stuff - foils, powders, odd fabricated shapes. I just seem to be feeling the need for something immediately recognizable by almost anyone who might have something I want bad at a time when everything is becoming hard to get. And it looks like gold is kind of going on sale for awhile...
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Btfd!
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Old 03-15-2012, 12:20 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by mike View Post:
Btfd!
Are you Greek? Or do you work for the Federal Reserve?
Why would anyone want to
Borrow To Finance Debt?
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Originally Posted by Jetstream View Post:
Are you Greek? Or do you work for the Federal Reserve?
Why would anyone want to
Borrow To Finance Debt?
And here I thought he was promoting www,BTFD,org
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Buy The Fscking Dip...which was the sometimes-scary idea, I think. But I get the humor.
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Originally Posted by mmerlinn View Post:
And here I thought he was promoting www,BTFD,org
I'm sure the Brown Township Fire Department is a worthy cause, but spam is spam.
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Originally Posted by DCFusor View Post:
Buy The Fscking Dip...which was the sometimes-scary idea, I think. But I get the humor.
Glad you got the humour.
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Hey, I'm the guy who got the flame decals for my Chevy Volt. Humor done here!Frontflamestiny.jpg
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Interesting that gold and silver are up today (even adjusting for the dollar weakening) while oil is down (adjusting for the dollar weakening):

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