Precious Metals Forum

Go Back   Precious Metals Forum > Bunker Talk > STS

Like Tree2Likes
  • 1 Post By benjamen
  • 1 Post By DCFusor

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 06-01-2012, 09:46 AM   #1
Super Moderator
 
benjamen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Migratory
Posts: 1,620
Liked: 685 times
Next Up for the Nanny, Food

http://www.usnews.com/news/business/...r-drink-makers
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...ity/55296248/1
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/hea...ng-food-police

Did anyone not see this coming? If governement is providing health care, they now make what you eat thier business.

“When government pays for your health care, it will inevitably be drawn into regulating your personal life. First, politicians promise to pay. Then, they propose to control you. Where does it stop? If we must control diet to balance the government's budget, will the health squad next ban skydiving and extramarital sex? How about another try at Prohibition?"

“Under the rules, grandma’s fresh-from-the oven banana bread can be declared contraband, while some Kellogg's Pop Tarts are deemed wholesome."
swissaustrian likes this.
__________________
I drive men mad
For love of me,
Easily beaten,
Never free.

PMBug 101 *** Forum Rules
benjamen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2012, 10:24 AM   #2
Yellow Jacket
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,053
Liked: 925 times
I think we also need a global internet forums police. Lots of thought/speech crimes are beeing comitted on these extremist websites where people talk about such dangerous things like freedom, self-suficiency and monetary alternatives.
swissaustrian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2012, 10:29 AM   #3
Yellow Jacket
 
DCFusor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Floyd, Virginia
Posts: 1,682
Liked: 1233 times
Saw it coming and frankly think it's almost the best reason to be opposed.
The other contender for #1 is that this bill hands the job to the very same insurance companies that cause the high costs.

Let's face it, if you went into a shop to have your car fixed, and they gave you no price estimate upfront other than "possibly unlimited" - would you go to that shop?

If you saw what those MRI's etc were really being billed at, and had to pay yourself, would hospitals have 3-4 machines apiece mostly sitting unused? No, they'd maybe have one, mostly unused. Or would you willingly ask for sweeping batteries of tests that cost you $100 each for 25 cents worth of chemistry? Hell no, you'd look for a more competitive price on this stuff. But since insurance A: doesn't show you the real bill - or at least you don't have to pay it directly, you don't care - if it was coming straight out of your pocket, you, like them, would demand lower prices. But the insurance companies don't even pay that much - they get negotiated price reductions on the order of 40% - and don't want more because guess what - the state guarantees them "cost plus fixed fee" when it's rate regulation time - so they want high costs as this boosts their fixed percentage of costs profits.

I know this due to another cool story I gotta write up for here about my little experience uninsured in the hospital after a high power rifle bullet tore off one side of my face and head...the billing was amazing (ly bad), and I actually got the hospital agent to admit that no insurance company would have paid that at face value, and told me the number. I did (much) better, but that's part of the cool story.
DCFusor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2012, 10:38 AM   #4
Super Moderator
 
benjamen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Migratory
Posts: 1,620
Liked: 685 times
Originally Posted by DCFusor View Post:
Saw it coming and frankly think it's almost the best reason to be opposed.
The other contender for #1 is that this bill hands the job to the very same insurance companies that cause the high costs.

Let's face it, if you went into a shop to have your car fixed, and they gave you no price estimate upfront other than "possibly unlimited" - would you go to that shop?

If you saw what those MRI's etc were really being billed at, and had to pay yourself, would hospitals have 3-4 machines apiece mostly sitting unused? No, they'd maybe have one, mostly unused. Or would you willingly ask for sweeping batteries of tests that cost you $100 each for 25 cents worth of chemistry? Hell no, you'd look for a more competitive price on this stuff. But since insurance A: doesn't show you the real bill - or at least you don't have to pay it directly, you don't care - if it was coming straight out of your pocket, you, like them, would demand lower prices. But the insurance companies don't even pay that much - they get negotiated price reductions on the order of 40% - and don't want more because guess what - the state guarantees them "cost plus fixed fee" when it's rate regulation time - so they want high costs as this boosts their fixed percentage of costs profits.

I know this due to another cool story I gotta write up for here about my little experience uninsured in the hospital after a high power rifle bullet tore off one side of my face and head...the billing was amazing (ly bad), and I actually got the hospital agent to admit that no insurance company would have paid that at face value, and told me the number. I did (much) better, but that's part of the cool story.
Say hello to medical tourism!
http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/se...-one-surprise/
__________________
I drive men mad
For love of me,
Easily beaten,
Never free.

PMBug 101 *** Forum Rules
benjamen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2012, 11:12 AM   #5
Yellow Jacket
 
DCFusor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Floyd, Virginia
Posts: 1,682
Liked: 1233 times
We have one already, SA:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-...hese-377-words

Freedom:
swissaustrian likes this.
DCFusor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2012, 11:20 AM   #6
Golden Cockroach
 
PMBug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: In Scrooge McDuck's vault
Posts: 7,085
Liked: 2456 times
Thanks a lot, Bin Laden! /sarc
__________________
The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. - Lao Tzu

Important stuff: PMBug 101 * Forum Guidelines * Support PMBug
PMBug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2012, 01:45 PM   #7
Yellow Jacket
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,053
Liked: 925 times
Originally Posted by DCFusor View Post:
We have one already, SA:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-...hese-377-words

Freedom:
So we're all on the DHS same list
swissaustrian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 03:29 PM   #8
Super Moderator
 
benjamen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Migratory
Posts: 1,620
Liked: 685 times
So, if you are over weight, it is lack of government intervention's fault. Obviously, it is not your fault.
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...175708490.html

__________________
I drive men mad
For love of me,
Easily beaten,
Never free.

PMBug 101 *** Forum Rules
benjamen is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Long term food storage PMBug BSTS 38 07-09-2012 09:47 AM
Our food pantry ran out ancona STS 17 05-21-2012 09:41 AM
1 MILLION pounds of Food on 3 acres PMBug BSTS 14 04-17-2012 03:32 PM
Long Term Food - prepper_momma_71 BSTS 8 04-16-2012 08:51 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:17 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® from Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Content of PMBug.com copyright © 2011 - 2019 Measuring Up. All Rights Reserved.