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Penn
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In my assessment the banter is a trick. When has MSN done anything for us?
Here is what I think is planned- drum up- emotions for secession, assassination of the prez, then chaos into a civil war-"fixed" by a Constitutional Convention.
If that happens- be afraid- a Con-con means k-street type lawyers would gut and rewrite the Constitution, using the EUs 800 page Constitution as a template at best.
Texas is the only state by treaty which is renewed each year. TEXAS COULD simply not renew it- however Gov Rick Perry has said Texas is not interested in leaving the Union.
If 25,000 signatures get on the petition, the white house will have an adviser look at it.
Gee- wow. Golly.
After the Civil war- is now requires approval of ALL other states- so if PA wanted to succeed- 49 other states are required to approve such in order for this to happen.
The odds of that are impossible. A petition on the white house website means nothing.
We sit just one or a few states away from the con-con trigger.
So why is MSM pushing this? Who gains what from a gutted and revised Constitution??
Here is what I think is planned- drum up- emotions for secession, assassination of the prez, then chaos into a civil war-"fixed" by a Constitutional Convention.
If that happens- be afraid- a Con-con means k-street type lawyers would gut and rewrite the Constitution, using the EUs 800 page Constitution as a template at best.
Texas is the only state by treaty which is renewed each year. TEXAS COULD simply not renew it- however Gov Rick Perry has said Texas is not interested in leaving the Union.
If 25,000 signatures get on the petition, the white house will have an adviser look at it.
Gee- wow. Golly.
After the Civil war- is now requires approval of ALL other states- so if PA wanted to succeed- 49 other states are required to approve such in order for this to happen.
The odds of that are impossible. A petition on the white house website means nothing.
We sit just one or a few states away from the con-con trigger.
So why is MSM pushing this? Who gains what from a gutted and revised Constitution??
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certainly not us. all of our freedoms will be gone with one swift swipe of the pen.
ancona
Praying Mantis
Secession could be defacto if a state simply exhertyed their 10th amendment rights and told Obama to pound sand. Instead, we get this sort of theater designed to demoralize those who are trying to send the administration a message. "Hey, motherfuckers, let's be clear here, while you won this by a thin margin, the other nearly fifty percent of us wish you would fall in a fucking well". That said, unledd something dramatic and unforseeable happens, we're stuck with the Socialist In Chief [SIC] so we had better hurry up and figure out how to deal with it.
I'm sure that when we (I'm in central Texas) succeed, the federal government will just let us have the pantex plant. 
http://www.pantex.com/
http://www.pantex.com/
dontdeBasemebro
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Perry is just an actor. He does his rootin'-tootin'-shootin' Texan routine, but folded on the anti-TSA deal and he'll continue fold on anything of substance since he is a system man. Remember he campainged as a democrat for Gore in '88; if he was the least bit liberty-minded he would have been supporting someone else in '88.
I wrote in Medina.
Penn
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I am dismayed- alot of ron paul people are so lacking in knowledge on this topic.
Not to worry- an Obama-bot- started a petition to have every who signed the secession petitions citizenship stripped by executive order- they have 2100 signatures on it.
Not to worry- an Obama-bot- started a petition to have every who signed the secession petitions citizenship stripped by executive order- they have 2100 signatures on it.
DCFusor
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Actually, history is written by the winners, who of course always do judge themselves - favourably.
The trap was/is - the states were afraid to tax their citizens enough to do everything their citizens wanted. So the fed steps in, offers money with strings attached, to provide that stuff - not that the federal government can afford it long-term either.
And the states all take the bait. They've given up the power of the purse, since they can't normally deficit-spend (well....CA might as well be doing that).
This definitely wasn't what the founders had in mind. The reality is that if a state wanted to suceed (Texas brings this up all the time), they'd have to raise their tax rate far in excess of the net state-fed tax rates combined to be sustainable, and if that reality sinks in, all interest in changing the status quo goes away. Along with the illusion we can buy ourselves a nice socialism with "those other people's money". At the size of a state, it becomes much more obvious we ARE Those other people.
And of course, the reason Texans are all about this when the whim strikes them is they think they are self sufficient as a state, or better. I don't believe it myself, but I'm not a Texan.
The trap was/is - the states were afraid to tax their citizens enough to do everything their citizens wanted. So the fed steps in, offers money with strings attached, to provide that stuff - not that the federal government can afford it long-term either.
And the states all take the bait. They've given up the power of the purse, since they can't normally deficit-spend (well....CA might as well be doing that).
This definitely wasn't what the founders had in mind. The reality is that if a state wanted to suceed (Texas brings this up all the time), they'd have to raise their tax rate far in excess of the net state-fed tax rates combined to be sustainable, and if that reality sinks in, all interest in changing the status quo goes away. Along with the illusion we can buy ourselves a nice socialism with "those other people's money". At the size of a state, it becomes much more obvious we ARE Those other people.
And of course, the reason Texans are all about this when the whim strikes them is they think they are self sufficient as a state, or better. I don't believe it myself, but I'm not a Texan.
Au-Myn
Fly on the Wall
Secession petitions update: 50 states petition
50 states petition White House to secede from Union
On November 14, 2012, Daily Caller announced that the White House website “We the People” has received secession petitions from all 50 states. The petitions were filed and signed by those who are apprehensive regarding President Obama’s re-election and feel their state would be better off separated from the Union and operating as its own government. What started as several petitions voicing outcry and disappointment in the 2012 election results has quickly blossomed into a nationwide phenomenon detailing the outrage, fear and trepidation many hold regarding four more years under an Obama administration.
Full story:
http://www.examiner.com/article/sec...tes-petition-white-house-to-secede-from-union
50 states petition White House to secede from Union
On November 14, 2012, Daily Caller announced that the White House website “We the People” has received secession petitions from all 50 states. The petitions were filed and signed by those who are apprehensive regarding President Obama’s re-election and feel their state would be better off separated from the Union and operating as its own government. What started as several petitions voicing outcry and disappointment in the 2012 election results has quickly blossomed into a nationwide phenomenon detailing the outrage, fear and trepidation many hold regarding four more years under an Obama administration.
Full story:
http://www.examiner.com/article/sec...tes-petition-white-house-to-secede-from-union
I was involved in a fairly interesting discussion on this topic a few years ago with peeps on a forum catering to alumni/fans of the University of Texas (fair warning: possibly NSFW avatars/images):
http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/29081-Secession
Didn't click the link, but the petitions can be created by anyone. The headline "50 states petition" is wrong. These petitions are not official actions of State governments.
mike
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Au-Myn
Fly on the Wall
You are correct, PMBug.
47 have it in the works and 7 are complete. Got a lot of pissed off Citizens in this Country.