What's the story with Ron Paul's representatives in Maine???

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I don't get it, please someone explain it to me - it seems, like Maine's representatives have chosen to vote Ron Paul, so the Rep party overlords, have chosen instead: "no, you are not voting Ron Paul. Actually you are not voting at all, we replace you with the representatives who vote as WE please"

????? Do I understand it correctly ???? If so, THAT's "Democracy" at work, supposedly? What a sad joke...

"Reality Check"
 
Yes, that's the gist of it. Understand that the GOP (Republican Party) is actually a private organization - not a government entity. The Romney camp is desperate to prevent Ron Paul from have the 5 states he needs to get his name on the ballot (and a speaking slot at the convention).

The business in Maine caused the Romney campaign camp to try and get some new rules slipped into the recommendation from the Rules committee at the national convention happening now in Tampa. They overreached though and, from what I'm hearing, pissed off a lot of non-Ron Paul supporters with their totalitarian suggestions. Their proposed rule changes look like they are not going to be passed out of the Rules committee (for a vote by the convention at large).
 
"Later that same day the RNC Rules Committee voted 63-38 to create a new party rule granting the the ruling cabal — and by extension their candidate, Mitt Romney — unchecked power to change the party’s rules.

At the urging of the Romney campaign’s chief attorney, Ben Ginsberg, the new rule allows the RNC to re-write the party's rulebook without the approval of the full Republican National Convention."

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...y-combine-to-quiet-ron-paul-and-his-delegates
 
Las Vegas Sun:

Paul supporters, lead by Nevada delegate Wayne Terhune, succeeded in putting together petitions from six states to put Paul’s name up for nomination. But earlier this week, the Romney campaign won a critical rules change requiring eight states to put a candidate up for nomination.

At the last moment, Paul supporters handed the petitions to the convention secretary. Then, the convention voted to adopt the eight-state rule, crushing the Paul effort.

New York Times:

Delegates from Nevada tried to nominate Mr. Paul from the floor, submitting petitions from their own state as well as Minnesota, Maine, Iowa, Oregon, Alaska and the Virgin Islands. That should have done the trick: Rules require signatures from just five states. But the party changed the rules on the spot. Henceforth, delegates must gather petitions from eight states.
 
I'm not terribly surprised. I didn't expect success at the convention. I'm rather pessimistic about the next 4 years.
 
PMBug said:
I'm not terribly surprised. I didn't expect success at the convention. I'm rather pessimistic about the next 4 years.
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My sentiments are opposite of yours. I think submitting 6 states for Ron Paul is a huge success. I think that having Rand Paul speak (a freshman senator) at the RNC is also a victory. Even Ron Paul was invited to speak at the RNC.

Fiscally conservative candidates like Ted Cruz (Texas) Kerry Bentivolio (MI) Richard Mourdock (IND) have a good shot of being elected.

The liberty faction will continue to claim victories on the local and state level and we will be even stronger for the 2016 campaign.
 
I agree that the liberty movement is stronger than ever, but I also agree with Bug that the next term, no matter who it is, is going to be miserable. The damage has been done and it will be liquidated one way or another, no matter which clown's face is on it.
 
dontdeBasemebro said:
I agree that the liberty movement is stronger than ever, but I also agree with Bug that the next term, no matter who it is, is going to be miserable. The damage has been done and it will be liquidated one way or another, no matter which clown's face is on it.
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I am emphatically NOT an Obama supporter.

But, I kind of hope Obama gets in again. That way the Democrats will wear the responsibility for the demise of America. If the liberty movement can take over the GOP (and it should be able to), then they will be a clear choice to turn to in 4 years.
 
I found some of the delegates from Maine. Nice people.
 
well, you got mitty now so get used to it )-:

i listened to some of his acceptance speech last night and it was totally devoid of content, just key words and phrases designed to address the fear they otherwise pump out to keep everyone in place the rest of the time ......

from -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/31/mitt-romney-acceptance-speech-hope

In a largely pedestrian speech, Romney won some of the loudest applause of the night when he said: "President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet." After a long pause to milk the raucous laughter of the crowd he delivered his own pledge: "My promise ... is to help you and your family
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help you and your family to do what ??? pitiful really.

They talk about a divided Rep party, yet NEVER a mention of Ron Paul anywhere .........
 
Jetstream said:
I am emphatically NOT an Obama supporter.

But, I kind of hope Obama gets in again. That way the Democrats will wear the responsibility for the demise of America. If the liberty movement can take over the GOP (and it should be able to), then they will be a clear choice to turn to in 4 years.
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...:clap: true, it seems that in all probability, most people cannot connect the dots as for causes & effects, long/medium term, so I was thinking myself, WHAT IF, what IF, by some miracle, Ron Paul gets elected, he starts his (inevitable) cuts programmes, the economy plummets (inevitably, short term), he slashes government left and right - making loads of enemies here too..


...and than what? Where's his support coming from, at that stage? Where's society, united by the vision of necessary (if very painful) changes, to get back on the healthy track? Where is the determination and focus, to get united through that painful (if necessary) period of time.

Add to the mix all the incredibly powerful, vested interest, which is most interested in keeping things the way they currently are, and who will do everything they can, to discredit, character-assassinate, meddle in, and generally, pour the sand on the gears of any significant changes, trying to be made?

I don't know, but it seems to me, that it is maybe better to loose that one (or even few more) battles, educate people in the mean time, gain wide-spread grassroots support, build that bottom-up pressure and universally shared vision, and maybe even let this whole shit house crumble first on it's own accord - to emerge from the ruins, with a new proposition (liberty) - rather than winning the battle here, been confronted with the shit hitting the fan (quite probably during the next term), and blamed for all the consequences of decades of ill-management of the society - despite doing everything to right the previous wrongs? I mean, who attempts to clear the current mess, will face enormous resistance and difficulties.

I mean, I do not see any way forward for the whole western world, without a significant pain to be brought on all members of the society - Ron Paul or not, he's not a magician, he is just a guy with a great integrity, and understanding of the most important principles, that would be necessary to be in place, to create a robust framework for a thriving, healthy society. And even righting all the wrongs that have been done in last decades, won't cure the situation overnight - this is just too big a thing, the whole economy/society/country, and it takes time to turn it over. And I am afraid, that the time and costs required for the initial pain to be effective, and start curing the ills, is much longer, than the patience of american voters will last.

EDIT. PS: And I am not picking on Americans here, I think pretty much whole of the western world is in the same shit, socially and socio-economically. Sad thing, and maybe even scarry.
 
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Wise words Bushi

Can any of us even begin to imagine a strategy that would 'sort things out ' ?

Lots of ideas kicking around but never any that can integrate all aspects of human life, cos its always 'experts' in limited fields of expertise .........

The only choice, if there is any, is who will do less harm, if given the chief puppet role ?
 
@ rblong2us and bushi

As long as the unwind does not destroy our society, I agree. Great Depression v. 2 looks to be about the best we can expect. And then we rebuild.

As long as we stay away from the REALLY BAD STUFF, maybe liberty can come our way, here and in the rest of the world. But, I do not see any easy way out, all the easy tricks have been played, without sucess.
 
I agree wholeheartedly with Bushi here. Ron Paul has the ideas and passion for the constitution that we all share here at PMBug, but there is not a lot he can do alone, and even less that he can do without a republican congress.

I believe we are headed for a very dark time, maybe as much as a decade, within which our entire financial paradigm will disappear and be replaced with something different. We have passed the proverbial tipping point where there was any remaining hope that we could reverse our debts and return to fiscal sanity. We have not even had a fucking budget for over three years and have no hope of having one in the years to come.

The USA will [like Europe] attempt to put band aid after band aid on the problems but will never address it head on. The truth of it is that we have no money, and we have no political will to stop spending as if we had an endless supply of gold. This party is rapidly drawing to a close and when it does, it will be incredibly painful for those who did not prepare. All of those millionaires? If they have not gotten gold, silver, guns and food, they will be just as poor as the old guy living under the bridge, but worse off. The guy under the bridge is used to living with nothing, but those millionaires are spoiled and fat, so having all of that stripped away will be ten times more painful.
 
Shelby-villian said:
My sentiments are opposite of yours. I think submitting 6 states for Ron Paul is a huge success. I think that having Rand Paul speak (a freshman senator) at the RNC is also a victory. Even Ron Paul was invited to speak at the RNC, as long as he said what Romney approved of. (he declined).

Fiscally conservative candidates like Ted Cruz (Texas) Kerry Bentivolio (MI) Richard Mourdock (IND) have a good shot of being elected.

The liberty faction will continue to claim victories on the local and state level and we will be even stronger for the 2016 campaign.
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there, fixed that for you.

and that is why there is NO hope.
 
ancona said:
I agree wholeheartedly with Bushi here. Ron Paul has the ideas and passion for the constitution that we all share here at PMBug, but there is not a lot he can do alone, and even less that he can do without a republican congress.

I believe we are headed for a very dark time, maybe as much as a decade, within which our entire financial paradigm will disappear and be replaced with something different. We have passed the proverbial tipping point where there was any remaining hope that we could reverse our debts and return to fiscal sanity. We have not even had a fucking budget for over three years and have no hope of having one in the years to come.

The USA will [like Europe] attempt to put band aid after band aid on the problems but will never address it head on. The truth of it is that we have no money, and we have no political will to stop spending as if we had an endless supply of gold. This party is rapidly drawing to a close and when it does, it will be incredibly painful for those who did not prepare. All of those millionaires? If they have not gotten gold, silver, guns and food, they will be just as poor as the old guy living under the bridge, but worse off. The guy under the bridge is used to living with nothing, but those millionaires are spoiled and fat, so having all of that stripped away will be ten times more painful.
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I agree. I can see NO WAY for us to restructure. When the collapse does happen, (no one I work with thinks anything is particularly wrong, still talking about their retirement, etc.) and it will, then I fear the cascading effect will be so fast there can be no recovery. For example, how to restructure when ALL government checks stop? When credit dries up? No grocery stores or gas stations? My morbidly obese next door neighbors had eight pre-five year olds playing in their yard last night. (Not all theirs) They haven't a clue, new kid every year, rent-a-piece-of-crap-furniture van in front of their house every week, new cars every year, etc. When everything stops, they aren't going to be looking for a politician to help them out. No time. In days, they are going to be willing to kill their neighbor in order to feed their kids. Sorry for the rant, but I've just spent the day at the grocery store watching 9 out of ten people ride around in human forklifts and complain because we only have 173 kinds of cat food. On the one hand, it can't collapse fast enough, on the other the suffering is going to be horrible. We lived in Tondo for quit a while; the people there were better off because they knew how to survive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tondo,_Manila
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...es&qpvt=Smokey+Mountain+Philippines&FORM=IGRE
 
bushi said:
I mean, I do not see any way forward for the whole western world, without a significant pain to be brought on all members of the society - Ron Paul or not, he's not a magician, he is just a guy with a great integrity, and understanding of the most important principles, that would be necessary to be in place, to create a robust framework for a thriving, healthy society. And even righting all the wrongs that have been done in last decades, won't cure the situation overnight - this is just too big a thing, the whole economy/society/country, and it takes time to turn it over. And I am afraid, that the time and costs required for the initial pain to be effective, and start curing the ills, is much longer, than the patience of american voters will last.
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took the dog for a walk, and had to come back and write this. Just on my block, there are two houses I want to talk about.

case 1:
Three doors down is a section 8 house, with 15? people living there. My wifes friend is the caseworker for WIC/foodstamps in this small town. She told us that that house ALONE has ten people getting 4000 dollars a month in food stamps. They are getting SSI as they are too fat to work. (several of them weight AT LEAST 500 pounds. The ambulance driver told me (he's there every week) that the mother broke the floor out of the ambulance, and we are paying for a new ambulance. She has to be transported to Round Rock (forty miles from here)weekly because she has to see a specialist there. There are three brand new cars (paper plates) in the driveway. No one there works, to the best of my knowledge. They are getting free food, housing and medical care and disability on our dime. (or not, its not really real money).
My wifes friend went over there there the other day to do an audit, the day after activation day. She said they only had one hundred dollars food credit, and no food in the house. CPS is over there frequently, because two of the babies keep falling out of the bed and have to be taken to the emergency room.

case 2:
My caddycorner neighbor quit his truck driving job three years ago to start a pizza business here in this small town (coinciding with his wifes large inheritance). Since there are never any cars there, I presume by now he's pretty much gone through all her money. He has three morbidly obese stepdaughters; they all live with their morbidly obese boyfriends and seven children in the local government housing. He told me one day they get their healthcare, food and medical care free and an allowance because they are too fat to work (he doesn't approve). One boyfriend has to weigh at least six hundred pounds. He can barely waddle when he comes into the grocery store; his arms are bigger than my waist. My co-worker weighs three hundred and twenty five pounds and this guy looks twice as large.

One block away, last year Kenny died. They had to cut the wall out of the house to get him out of his bedroom. He had been bedbound for two years.

I see this EVERY day in the grocery store I work at. HOW DO THESE PEOPLE GET SO BIG? How can anyone possibly think that we are going to "manage" this? Two of my co-workers have kids that ALREADY weight 200 pounds at ten years old. And they think they are the most cute little preciouses.

Almost everyone else on my block is elderly, most over eighty. A grim future, indeed.

rant over/
 
That's what happens when people don't have to take responsibility for their decisions/actions.
 
I was so upset I bought more silver. Shirley went off on me.

Hey- RP to make some kind of announcement on the 4th.
 
wow Jay

thats almost a saturday rant (-:
think someone else currently wears the hat for this job

I love the 'walmartian' images you create for us to ponder.

And the 'controllers' are so tied into their belief they are in control, that they will not even give credence to the possibility of a cascade of failure, as even acknowledging the possibility puts a career at risk.

Its simply unthinkable, therefore it cannot happen !

and there will be another flavour of catfood, just not so well packaged or marketed -

'owner flavour' (-:
 
rblong2us said:
And the 'controllers' are so tied into their belief they are in control, that they will not even give credence to the possibility of a cascade of failure, as even acknowledging the possibility puts a career at risk.

Its simply unthinkable, therefore it cannot happen !
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Well, that thing in bold above is the key. as the saying goes, it is impossible to explain something to a person, whose paycheck depends on him NOT understanding that issue...

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As a once and future Mainer I was disapointed but not the least bit suprised by the GOP powerbrokers putting the kibosh on any voices other then their own. But as the the Republicans and Democrats settle into ultra partisan possitions that both ignore fiscal reality, I think there maybe there is a longer term opportunity.

I think there are a growing number of people in both parties that see the obvious need to do something drastic. We used to have what we called "pocketbook" Republicans in New England, people like my family, deeply concerned about but as the party took a hard right turn on social issues they simple drifted away. Now I live in one of the most Democratic cities in the country and work with a lot of very well off and socially liberal people. But when talking politics with them their number one concern is the fiscal situation this country is in.

I think there is a lot of common ground and shared concern that could be harnessed into a third party movement if it were focused on our fiscal house of cards and could shed the reactionary social baggage that will prevent it from becoming a national/cross party line movement. The big spending interests seem to be too strongly in place for any real movement on these issues inside one of the major parties.


Maybe I am just trying to be hopeful because I am getting married in the near future and want to see some hope for the world of my future children.

Internallydisplaced
 
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Sounds like you are talking about Tea Party 2, Int disp

As soon as a movement gets rolling, it gets targeted and hijacked by mainstream )-:

Its going to require something more / different ........

There will be a bright future for children but they will need to learn things that make the world a better place.

All the best with your upcoming wedding and future married life.
 
mike said:
No way. Where did you get that info? I listen to him daily, and he's always saying Romney and Obama are the same, and he's totally pro Paul.
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here's from Pete himself, what is his take on this "endorsement" :):



..and his take on "the biggest threat to America":



I love how this guy doesn't mince his words - and for that reason, he has no place in "modern" politics, full of slithering rat racers, with no principles, integrity nor backbone - unless voters get some shock therapy, and their shit together...
 
bushi said:
I love how this guy doesn't mince his words - and for that reason, he has no place in "modern" politics, full of slithering rat racers, with no principles, integrity nor backbone - unless voters get some shock therapy, and their shit together...
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I LOVE that.... :)
 
Dr. Paul on Jay Leno tonight, Sept. 4th with a special announcement. :)

My guess is he will endorse Gary Johnson, but maybe it could be even bigger. :)
 
An article speculating on what is going to happen:
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/po...ion-recap-what-will-ron-paul-say-on-leno-show

Later in the article there is an interesting section about the new rule change for the Republican party:

"According to the revised Rule 15 (to be renumbered as Rule 16 in the new rule book) as proposed by Ginsberg, every state must amend its nominating process to ensure that their delegations are bound to vote in accordance with the winner of the popular vote as cast at state caucuses or primaries.

Ginsberg’s version of Rule 12 empowers the RNC to bend its own rules to suit their needs at any time without submitting the changes to party members gathered at the quadrennial convention. This unprecedented revision places the control of the GOP in the hands of the Establishment candidate without suffering the inconvenience of listening to dissenting voices. In the future the nomination of an incumbent Republican president is guaranteed and upon leaving office, he will be able to name his chosen successor through manipulation of the party rules.

Curiously, the driver of a bus carrying the delegate holding the official objections to the proposed rule changes circled the venue refusing to stop, causing that delegate to arrive too late to file the objections. Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-Ohio) then proceeded to call for a vote on Ginsberg’s rewrite of the Republican rulebook.

Standing at the podium and reading from a teleprompter, Boehner instructed those in favor of the rules to say “aye” and those opposed to say “nay.”

Video of the vote clearly demonstrates that those against the adoption of the Romney-friendly rules numbered at least as many as those in favor. In light of the closeness of the voice vote, Boehner should have called for a roll call vote rather than a voice vote. But in another example of unexplained deviation from applicable Republican Party protocol, Boehner ignored the dissenting votes, declaring, “The ayes have it.”

More shocking than the Speaker’s ignoring of the dissenting votes is the revelations that came through cell phone video posted to the Internet only minutes after this “vote.” These videos record the script scrolling on Boehner’s teleprompter and reveal that the adoption of the rules was scripted and that the new rules weren’t voted on at all. Regardless of how long before Boehner's appearance the script was written and entered into the teleprompter, the undeniable fact is that the outcome of the vote was decided in advance by whoever typed that text into the teleprompter.

Put simply, the passage of a radical new rulebook rewritten by a lawyer from the Romney campaign was predetermined and the voice vote taken at the convention was a sham, sound and fury signifying nothing."
 
it only get's better: video footage of the teleprompter from the convention shows, that the whole "convention" part was missing - the script was already saying things like

(...)in the opinioin of the Chair, the "ayes" have it, and the resolution is adopted
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...and the "primed for 'YES, by overwhelming applause' " teleprompter footage starts about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKaXqoC4DjE&feature=player_detailpage#t=218s

...one cannot make this shit up!!! :loco:
 
Not much of an "announcement" on Leno's show!
Our nations are beyond any political fix or 'fixer'.
Nothing but Divine intervention can turn this around.
Until we are ready to accept that, there is no remedy.
"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes" (Psalm 118:8,9)
 
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/po...-speak-out-about-their-undue-delay-at-the-rnc

"Ford described the erratic path of the bus around the convention center as having circled it at least twice and started to leave the convention center area when the passengers, noticing it was headed in the wrong direction, asked the bus driver to stop and let them off. From that point, the delegates walked about 5 blocks to the convention center."

Want to vote against us? You have to get to the convention first!

:noevil:
 
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