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Old 06-28-2012, 09:41 AM   #1
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You have to be kidding me!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/s...135554880.html

Included in this junk:
"Medicaid will be expanded by 16 million low-income people"
Because we are not already in enough debt, lets pay for 16 million more!

"about 6 percent of the population will actually be required to buy health insurance or face a tax under the mandate"
Not to mention this is mostly younger workers already struggling to find jobs and pay off student loans!

"Insurers can also no longer turn away children with preexisting conditions, and sick uninsured people can buy coverage in high-risk pools set up by the government."

Having worked in the insurance industry in the past, the math simply does not work. This is going to make the insurance industry totally dependant on govermental hand outs... which we can not afford....



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Old 06-28-2012, 09:42 AM   #2
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The government now has precedent to tell you where to spend your money.

Next up... The I-phone mandate.
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:46 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by dereksatkinson View Post:
The government now has precedent to tell you where to spend your money.

Next up... The I-phone mandate.
Using the same logic:

Since the government is funding your healthcare, they have a vested interest in your health. Since everyone eats food, the government can force you to buy certain things in the food market. Therefore, every American must eat one cup of spinach a week.

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Old 06-28-2012, 09:54 AM   #4
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If you thought the economy was fucked, watch what happens now! We're talking half a trillion dollars a year that will be diverted from the real economy to pay for this ridiculous multi-thousand page boondoggle.

This will divert a very significant chunk of my paycheck each week to pay for, which means I will have to cut back elsewhere. Those who do not need much health care will be affected just as much. Of course, since I earn a decent wage, I will get to help pay for all the losers out there who chose not to finish school and sought out a life career as a McDonald's fry cook and expert joint roller.

This is the final nail in the coffin of our economy folks. Commerce will fall off by exactly the dollar cost of these forced payments for socialist medical services. I expect the quality of our already falling standard of care to rapidly decline as well. With thirty million people being instantaneously added to the rolls of those who will be covered, the infrastructure will break as they seek care for every single sniffle.

We are irretrievably fucked unless the Republicans can take a two thirds majority of the Senate and keep the house.
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SCOTUS just pissed in my Wheaties.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:08 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by ancona View Post:
If you thought the economy was fucked, watch what happens now! We're talking half a trillion dollars a year that will be diverted from the real economy to pay for this ridiculous multi-thousand page boondoggle.

This will divert a very significant chunk of my paycheck each week to pay for, which means I will have to cut back elsewhere. Those who do not need much health care will be affected just as much. Of course, since I earn a decent wage, I will get to help pay for all the losers out there who chose not to finish school and sought out a life career as a McDonald's fry cook and expert joint roller.

This is the final nail in the coffin of our economy folks. Commerce will fall off by exactly the dollar cost of these forced payments for socialist medical services. I expect the quality of our already falling standard of care to rapidly decline as well. With thirty million people being instantaneously added to the rolls of those who will be covered, the infrastructure will break as they seek care for every single sniffle.

We are irretrievably fucked unless the Republicans can take a two thirds majority of the Senate and keep the house.
1) This is going to kill off a lot small businesses with more that 50 employees that were already hurting

2) This is going to make the unemployment problem worse as we begin to see layoffs due to this law

3) Since the states (correct me if im wrong) pay for most of Medicaid and most states are already completely broke, how do you think they are going to pay for all these new Medicaid covered people?

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Old 06-28-2012, 11:52 AM   #7
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Now I get to pay even more for people that are too damn lazy or too damn stupid to take care of themselves.

Too bad I am not rich enough to leave this shithole that has been getting deeper and deeper for the last hundred years.
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Ugh.

Is there a "face / palm" icon on here...?
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:15 PM   #9
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Sounds like the same shit they used to get social security passed.

FDR to the public: "It's not a tax, it's insurance!"

SCOTUS: "You can't make people buy insurance."

FDR to SCOTUS: "It's not insurance, it's really just a tax."

SCOTUS: "Okay, you can do that."


A few important things to take away from this:

Using the argument that we need to elect Romney to get more "conservative" justices on the SCOTUS is not a valid argument since there is no telling how they will actually rule.

Using the argument that we need to elect Romey because he says he will grant waivers against Obamacare on his first day is also not valid. The only thing that Romney has ever done consistently is change his position to suit his audience, and he will never be as "conservative" sounding as he was during the primary; that was the best he'll ever be, and it wasn't very good. And you can bet that the guy who invented Obamacare and is a spineless shill will quickly wiggle and squirm his way to justifying Obamacare if he were to take office. The powerful influcences on the president will allow nothing else.

If you need some medical work done, do it asap. The return on being a doctor is already a far cry from what it once was - a prestigious and lucrative profession. Just the fact that doctors graduate with a mortgage worth of debt and no house is bad enough, then factor in tremedous malpractice insurance, insane hours, and now Obamacare. I personally know many doctors who say being a doctor just isn't worth it anymore, and they tell aspiring doctors that quite frankly. What this means is that the people who are capable of being good doctors will decide to do something else, leaving us with doctors that are fewer and of lower skill. Of course, with doctors being more scarce the prices for their services will neccessarily rise, even while quality declines. This is a stark reminder why being healthy is perhaps the most important step to becoming resilient.

mmerlinn, that little voice in the back of my head for a while has been saying "GO GO GO", but, like you, I have no place and little means to get there.
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:23 PM   #10
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ther_multiline

Interesting idea:
"Roberts' genius was in pushing this health care decision through without attaching it to the coattails of an ugly, narrow partisan victory. Obama wins on policy, this time. And Roberts rewrites Congress' power to regulate, opening the door for countless future challenges. In the long term, supporters of curtailing the federal government should be glad to have made that trade."

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...-care-law?lite

Amusing:
"It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”
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So these douchebags have decided that the constitution permits government to create commerce so that they can regulate it? Someone needs a loooong 'dirt nap' over this one.
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One of the things that bothers me the most about this bill/law/mandate, is that it was made by a bunch of people that have little to no experience in healthcare and it was done in a matter of months. I am all for a change for the better but its like they said "Screw taking the time to learn it and who gives a shit if it is thought through or right, well wing it and run with it anyways."

I guess I am the stupid one for thinking that they would take a reasonable amount of time (2-3 years) to work through a problem and make a good long term solution. Go figure, it is the one thing they got done quick.
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They won't hold this for long. They think people like me, who spend just about exactly zero on health care a year will quietly pay in and not go to the doctor, as before. Screw that, I'll be there for every sniffle and each time I skin a knee.

And so will the people I know that are like ancona's neighbors. They used to just die at about 50 (drink, drugs, stupidity) - but now, they'll be at the doctors all the time, and will now live long enough to collect SS and so on.

There won't be enough services available, and there won't be anywhere near enough new pay-in to cover it.

I feel like yeah, someone's going to be taking a dirt nap over this. Several.
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Adding fifty million people to the rolls of the insured will guarantee extreme shortages everywhere and for everyone [except the wealthy].

This was the worst possible thing they could have passed. Doctors will leave the profession because payments will shrink to the point where it is no longer worth it to treat patients. These guys have enormous malpractice payments and need an army of admin people just to figure out the millions [literally] of billing codes, and to chase down their payments from Medicaid and Medicare. My orthopedist tells me he refused to treat anyone besides cash patients and those with insurance......period, because Medicare/Medicade pay schedules are a joke and the money is at best, 90 days out.
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Originally Posted by 69mach351 View Post:
One of the things that bothers me the most about this bill/law/mandate, is that it was made by a bunch of people that have little to no experience in healthcare and it was done in a matter of months. I am all for a change for the better but its like they said "Screw taking the time to learn it and who gives a shit if it is thought through or right, well wing it and run with it anyways."

I guess I am the stupid one for thinking that they would take a reasonable amount of time (2-3 years) to work through a problem and make a good long term solution. Go figure, it is the one thing they got done quick.
and to add to it, these were the same guys worried about a college football playoff and steriods in baseball a few months earlier. Give me a break. I wish I could pick and choose what I want to half ass everyday.
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Originally Posted by ancona View Post:
My orthopedist tells me he refused to treat anyone besides cash patients and those with insurance......period, because Medicare/Medicade pay schedules are a joke and the money is at best, 90 days out.
...not to worry, ancona. Expect a new bill, in few year's time, (when all these cracks inevitably show in the ugly truth reality), that will REQUIRE all doctors to accept medicare patients same way as cash-pay/insured ones, under the threat of losing medical license if not doing so. Just saying, but send me a beer when it happens - or a tip, how I can position myself today to benefit from it in the future

As history shows all around the planet, centrally planned economy can only last for so long, and crucially, ONLY in the repressionists countries, where individual liberties, do not exists. It is quite logical, that individual rights, are always a threat to a central plans. That is exactly why individual rights are being eroded in US, to the point of non-existence, in practice. More central planning = less individual liberties, by definition. If people were to decide by themselves, to go along with central planners willingly - well, there would be no need for the central plan, because people would be voting with their wallets anyway.

It is sad to see, how America is going the way of Soviet Union. Not that it actually means anything to the new generations.
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The Inflation trader (one of the few smart guys over at Seeking Alpha) had this to say - and he "never" mentions politics:

"It’s an interesting and depressing ruling. Since there is no limit on the amount of money the government is permitted to levy in taxes, there would be no difference in principle if the Congress had made the “opt-out tax”, say, $100 million, completely bankrupting anyone who refused to comply. It strikes me as a plausible ruling (not that I am a Constitutional lawyer), though I’m not pleased with the result, and anyway it’s the law of the land. But the implication is that your ‘inalienable rights’ are not life, liberty, and property (aka ‘pursuit of happiness’), but life and one of liberty or property. You can give up your property to keep your liberty, or give up your liberty and keep your property. Thanks, Congress."

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ACA might be invalid as a tax bill that was was not passed in the House in accordance with Article I Section 7:


If ACA is a tax, its a direct tax that must be apportioned:

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Old 06-29-2012, 11:28 AM   #19
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The govt does not get how broke people are.

July- I will have to decide on who I can pay. I have an emergency house repair and car repair- in addition to the $365 I borrowed from friends.

So I will be strategic in what I can and can not pay. Each month this will continue.

I might even have to sell the stack.
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Obamacare hit piece at my blog:

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