After The Government Microchips Our Soldiers, How Long Will It Be

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Unobtanium

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http://www.activistpost.com/2012/05/after-government-microchips-our.html

 
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I enjoyed your post/link.

I believe that people are being tuned into the idea that they can 'see' these technologies through something as simple as a 30 second montage in a popular movie or TV show and be made to believe the 'good' could outweigh the 'bad' given little to NO context. I am not an advocate of RFID/microchip implantation, but what I'm trying to say is that people with such glitzy examples such as Minority Report's could be made to think "That may not be so bad"... without thinking of the unintended consequences.

I don't watch much TV.... not much to say how that medium is influencing what people see in terms of these advances in technology and how palatable they are to mass audiences.


The military's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or DARPA, announced plans to create nanosensors that monitor soldiers' health on the battlefield and keep doctors constantly abreast about potential health problems.

...FICTIONAL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid

A nanoengineered virus in a fictional video game storyline:http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/FOXDIE

The Metal Gear Solid Series is over 20 years old, has sold more than 30 million copies (of the various games in the entire series), and features a plot so convoluted and technologically baffling at times that it makes FOX's "24" feel like the Sunday funnies page (maybe not a good comparison, but I thought "24" ripped off a lot of MGS sub-plots...) The MGS series focuses heavily on nanotechnology in soldiers and officers, the President, key Cabinet members, etc in two of the game's installments. I've enjoyed the series, and really identify with quite a few of the concepts covered in the article because of it. I haven't read much science fiction in the last 10 years, would be my excuse...

What would you do if you could not go shopping without a microchip?


...you’d be able to read a 500-page book in just under two-tenths of a second.
(Funny...)


While I don't really have a better single source to talk about what the article is approaching here with microchips, identification, human-machine interface and monitoring/tracking - the concept of "singularity" pops into my head, and I was thinking maybe this was a subject you had read about as well.

Another place where Singularity junkies hang out and post all sorts of related articles and news: http://singularityhub.com/

It's all about political will and unintended consequences... *sigh*



Last one: A straight-to-DVD release of a movie concept that includes an implantable chip that records all of what you see, for your entire life. "The Final Cut" starring Robin Williams and Mira Sorvino. Wild concept...(preview is a bit over-the-top for how mellow the movie turns out to be).

 
No computing device in my possession can be made safe from attack or hack. Period. This is very well accepted in the security community.

Since the human body is practically immune from EMP - you can always fry it. But...since the tech is well known and mainstream, what's to keep me from cracking the tech and substituting my own - and even selling it to people for a price? Answer, nothing, if I have the ability to do so.

Sure, they can use some crypto to make that more difficult, but that's only in degree, and with some old NSA techniques, impossible for them to truly hide the required key...If you have a chip in hand, you can actually direct-read the content of every bit and gate...it's painful, but...very very possible and quite a few people already have the required toolage to do so.

Things like this get my entrepreneur nerves tingling...
 
Impossible to either mandate or implement. The outcry would be so loud as to drown out all other discussion.
 
No one ever went broke overestimating human stupidity, however.

All they'd have to do is show some "iBling" advantage to it - instant passports would turn some people on, or how about point of sale - no credit card or even a phone-swipe needed? Some incentive would get some people to adopt and more would follow till it became uncool not to have one, if they did it right. Only then does it start the creep down the slippery slope into the applications we fear for it.

Look how they weaned people off nice, safe, convenient, private cash into CC's so they could skim a few percent off the top of every transaction, and now people will hardly even take a check, even though it costs them less and is easier to verify on the spot with the right gear. Or going back a step - how they got people into FRN's instead of PM's as money - the pulled out the gold backing in '71, quite awhile later on when no one could do anything much about that.
 
This seems rather appropriate here:

 
I guess you are right DC. This could be done with those "little pushes" the democrats like so much.
 
There are times I'd rather not be right. This is one.

But I feel like it won't happen for a long time, due to the inherent hackability of anything I can take into some private place and play with to my heart's content.

As all the failed DRM schemes prove - you can't really make it work against a determined adversary, which I would surely be in that case, along with a few tens of thousands of my brothers in tech.

Even banks have alarms along with the safes. They know that given enough time, nothing is unbreakable, so they have backups on the backups - humans in this case.
 
No computing device in my possession can be made safe from attack or hack. Period. This is very well accepted in the security community.

Things like this get my entrepreneur nerves tingling...

Agree with you there DC. If this did go down, you would surely have a big clientele with your ideas. The sad thought lies in the likelyhood that the other 95-99% of people would go along with the subject of this thread willingly.

ancona said:
Impossible to either mandate or implement. The outcry would be so loud as to drown out all other discussion.


Adding to what DC said, the masses generally gladly accept almost anything that is shoveled out to them if it is for their safety, convenience, entertainment or comfort.... especially when it is fertilized by the mass media.

In addition to DC's examples, hare a few more examples of things that would likely have been shot down if the underlying premise was forced on people instead of given to them in a way that "improves their lives":

Goal: To surveil the general public's daily activities and map out their social and family ties.
Method: Facebook.

Goal: To get facial recognition files on people, with names attached.
Method: Facebook; the facebook users do all the work by tagging faces in their photos.

Goal: To get a camera in every home.
Method: Probably happening very soon on a mass basis via TV.

Goal: To get a GPS track on a person's location.
Method: Cell phones.

Goal: To get inside a person's head and know their thoughts.
Method: Google search entries; online activity.

Goal: Get people to eat crap rather than good whole foods.
Method: Supermarkets, fast food restaurants, and the mass food industry. Up until about <100 years ago, people ate whole foods for thousands of years.

Goal: Keep real statesmen out of office; maintain puppet politicians in office.
Method: The illusion of a two-party system.

And the list goes on. All of the above is prodded along by the mass media. I too hope it doesn't come to this, but unless the general masses wake up, it is coming their way, and they will buy it hook, line and sinker. But no one from the Bug of course! :agree:

Oh, and the type of people below are sure bets for the chip, so they won't get lost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cd34HgqA-WY
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Damn!!

Well thought out and well presented Unobtanium.

People have been taught to be such sheep that they follow the fucking herd on EVERYTHING!!! I guess I underestimeate the human condition a little because I am so [personally anyway] analytical about everything. But, you are right. Just look at all the idiots that bought Pet Rocks for Christ's sake!
 

I have read a little about singularity, but not a lot. Sounds like an interesting topic. I am more familiar in terms of singularity as it relates to the Fibonacci Spiral, seen in nature and in some financial analyses. Also some would consider a SHTF scenario a singularity of sorts.

With regard to your videos, there is a term called Predictive Programming, where Hollywood produces movies to steer the public in a direction as protrayed by the movies (creating the future social structure, in a way); also to prepare peoples' psyches for things that they want to bring about in a way that it will not shock the public.

Most of us would agree that the technology in the Black Ops realm is a decade or decades ahead of the average public consumer technology. Some of what we see in movies can be assumed to be here already, albeit not publicized yet.
 
I too hope it doesn't come to this, but unless the general masses wake up, it is coming their way, and they will buy it hook, line and sinker.

Did someone say sheep?

 
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Goal: To get a camera in every home.
Method: Probably happening very soon on a mass basis via TV.
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XBOX 360 Kinect. Also, can't iPhone and iPad cameras be activated remotely?
 
Also, can't iPhone and iPad cameras be activated remotely?

I think so, and I think the microphone as well. It would be nice if a techie could confirm this, and if so, you could be seen AND heard via remote activation.
 
Samsung actually did announce a TV design with a camera in it that they claimed would subsidize the price of the TV via allowing advertisers to see how you really live.
There was serious outrage in the techie world, and there's been no adoption.

Anything with computer + camera can be remote activated if you can root it with various malware. There was that court case of a school in Penn getting busted for doing so with laptops they lent to students getting a few racy pix of them doing things at home. In this case, the malware was pre installed by the school. No one really got busted for it, but they stopped the program.

The FBI has been known to activate (or have it done) OnStar in cars to listen. There is considerable online info on how to stop that (it takes pulling two fuses).

Realistically, it's already here - if they want you, they have you. As long as we don't organize so we can easily be locally outnumbered and defeated in detail, it will be that way forever. This is why the internet monitoring is going on - to prevent a local version of "Arab Spring" flash mobs organized all too easily through this medium.
Easy if you nip it in the bud. Twitter is currently in court trying to get out of a subpoena for their user info about Occupy Wall Street participants.

They are getting around the wiretapping laws by using computers to do speech to text, and then claiming reading the text doesn't break the laws. The FBI is getting pissed that they don't yet have backdoors (they claim) into some of the major social services.

It's over for your privacy and has been for awhile. You don't have to have a facebook account and be stupid with it for that to be true - your "friends" will reveal plenty about you and they mine that too.

The only amelioration is to stay under the radar just so - obviously avoiding things makes you more visible (why is this guy's file so small? Interesting!). Just be so boring the algo's don't trip on you, or trip on you less than a lot of other people, because in the end, it still takes a human to decide to do something about all that data.

The net result is the criminalization of everyone as a means to have something to hold over you - just in case. An old story, just the new tools.

After all, if a neighbor gets carted off to be "disappeared" and you're told it's for some crime, you shrug. If it's for beliefs - you'd get mad, which they'd just as soon avoid, since that would result in having to lock us all up (no sheep to run the place left).
 
boom
 
* ~6 year old bump *

From the OP's link:
India has rolled out their biometric ID system:
More: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/07/technology/india-id-aadhaar.html

USA has been attempting something like this for a while with REAL ID, et. al.:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/the-national-biometric-id_b_542821.html

Latest (current) attempt is buried in a huge bill by Rep. Bob Goodlatte (HR 4760):

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/national-id-hr4760-biometrics/

Also, it's interesting to read back through this thread in light of the ubiquitous adoption of productes/services from corporations that are essentially collecting data for the NSA (FaceBook, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc.).
 
Yeah good bump Bug
I miss those guys who contributed to this but are no longer posting here )-:



Its a fascinating dilemma.

I substantially reduced my internet profile around 6 years ago but all it probably achieved was to make it harder for the average joe to get a fix on me.
If I was to take the next step and avoid all electronic devices with communication potential, ie totally off grid, it would be really hard.
Even if I was part of an off grid community I would imagine there would be those within the group that continued to stay in touch with others and how would you track down an obscure part needed to fix the solar system ........

I think its already too late to drop off the system and now am pondering how I might live in the matrix as it is at any given time.
 
I suppose that the surveillance state will be tolerated by the "unwashed masses" as long as abuses of the system don't register in the public consciousness. That's what made Snowden's revelations so powerful. There really is no way to stop the progress of technology (without sending global civilization back to the stone age). I think the best we can really hope for is a very strong dose of sunshine/transparency and stringent procedures/controls to prevent abuse. I have my doubts about the long term viability of that though because the system affords too much power to be ignored.

Edit: ... and yeah, I miss a lot of peeps who used to contribute regularly. DCF has been MIA for years now (don't see him posting on his own forum either ). ancona popped in a couple of months ago - he's still kicking but doesn't visit regularly like he used to. Unobtanium is still around ( :wave: ) but mostly lurking.
 
LOL, I just posted in another forum and used the term "unwashed masses" in it... great minds think alike.
You're right, transparency is just a word that means nothing. Kinda like freedom, liberty, honesty, integrity, lawful and justice.
 
The government is just becoming too powerful to be stopped. All we can do is give our votes to people who promise to cut some of that power and hope they keep their promise. Slim chances of that happening, I know, but I don't see any other way.
 
Tetter, welcome aboard.

some suggest that not voting or spoiling your vote is a way of showing that you do not support any of the 'choices'.

Power corrupts and once taken from people, is never given back by choice.
 
Hey Bugs, I'm still hanging around and enjoying the World of Bug. I don't post that much anywhere any longer. Work and life got really really busy a few years ago and is just now getting back to "normal". Nowadays I skim a few forums and headlines to keep up with what is going on, and try to spend the majority of my free hours just trying to enjoy life as much as possible.

I'll still try to post a little bit here and there from time to time.

Cheers,
Unobtanium
 
The push to collect biometric data in the USA is really heating up. It's not just biometrics like fingerprints and facial recognition. There is a big push happening right now to build a nationwide DNA database (from databases collected from various sources).


More: https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...te-massive-statewide-dna-database/2873930002/
 

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I'm fine with faster processing times, but what I'd be worried about is are cops going to start carrying around DIY DNA kits like they do with breathylizers & what will be the criteria for who they can test? There is a link in that story that detectives are using it now. Will anyone at a crime scene be compelled to give a sample like you are for DUI's in most states? What level of cause will have to be shown to get a court order to compel someone to take the test? How easy is something like this for a beat cop or detective to screw up or falsify? There are crooked cops, the header on that link had a story to one right in the area where they are testing this. Depending on its accuracy & how it's controlled, it could end up causing just as many problems as it solves. I just watched some of those "New Detective" shows & many of them are about how they end up freeing a guy who has been in prison for years. One case the guy got locked up when he was about 22 & finally released at 47. Then they give him $100k for a settlement, which his lawyer probably got 1/2 of. Fuck that! I'd just start robbing fucking banks until they either caught me, killed me or I felt I had been reimbursed a fair amount.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/c...raid/285-f25667c1-2574-4d1c-bb68-523dad048365

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Hardwired for Control – The Brain-Computer Interface Is Already Here​

Neuralink is ready to stick chips in humans. Synchron and Blackrock Neurotech have already done it—as have many others​


Joe Allen
Dec 21, 2022

People talk about brain implants as if they’re an imagined biohorror in the distant future. This is a misconception. Hardwired trodes already exist, they’re more widespread than you think, and they’ll only be more prevalent as time goes on.

Today, it’s an iPhone 14 under the Xmas tree. Come the Singularity, transhumanists hope and pray, it’ll be an iTrode 666 in your cerebral cortex.

Synchron and Blackrock Neurotech, alongside numerous labs funded by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), are at the forefront of this human experimentation.

Neuralink is racing to catch up—burning through lab animals like so much kindling—and will likely take the lead once they’re approved for human trials.

Read the rest here:

 
Ignored in all of this, is human drive and ambition.

And how that all rebels against micromanagement-control by others.

And how this chipping will require an ELABORATE infrastructure - which will have to be built, materials sourced, chips implanted, power supplied...and can only be done on this scale by hard-working, creative engineers, constructors, medical personnel, electrical-power personnel...fossil fuels for power, since there is no other serious source.

Have we forgotten the USSR? They had no motivation, even though not chipped. They were ordered about, and fed filth.

"We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us."

What Soviet artifiact still exists? Their cars? The State-owned VAZ auto works, made the Lada - which was a Fiat 124, an obsolete model that Fiat (good capitalist Italian firm) sold to the Soviets...the design, the tooling, and built a plant for them. Fiat liked doing that - they did the same with their 127 model, sold to the Yugoslavian government, which became the Yugo.

The Soviets, with their soul-deadening micromanagement by political rulers...couldn't even design a CAR, much less a Kafkaesque electronic control of the human mind.

This plan can kill a lot of people and destroy industry, destroy our agricultural surplus, lead to famine...but it won't work the way the mid-wit Elites think it can.
 
Came across this by accident. Subject matter interests me but I cannot speak to the veracity of this. Contains a link to a vid.

 
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