Bundesbank to Repatriate 374 Tons of Gold From Bank of France, Substantial Portion of Gold Held at t

Welcome to the Precious Metals Bug Forums

Welcome to the PMBug forums - a watering hole for folks interested in gold, silver, precious metals, sound money, investing, market and economic news, central bank monetary policies, politics and more. You can visit the forum page to see the list of forum nodes (categories/rooms) for topics.

Why not register an account and join the discussions? When you register an account and log in, you may enjoy additional benefits including no Google ads, market data/charts, access to trade/barter with the community and much more. Registering an account is free - you have nothing to lose!

white&yellow999

Predaceous Stink Bug
Messages
234
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Location
USA
http://www.silverdoctors.com/bundesbank-to-repatriate-374-tons-of-gold-from-bank-of-france-yet-to-be-announced-portion-of-gold-held-at-the-ny-fed/



Let's see how this one plays out.... the current article says that of the banks 3,396 tonnes of gold, 45% is held in the NY Federal reserve. I wonder what part of that portion they are demanding in physical.
 
I wonder what part of that portion they are demanding in physical.
The whole point of repatriation is to bring physical gold back under the control of the original holder nation, i.e., into their own vaults. So whatever portion they decide to repatriate, it will be all phys .

Turns out that crazy wacko Chavez wasn't as crazy as some would like us to believe, no?

same on Zerohedge:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...sbank-commence-repatriating-gold-new-york-fed

 
Raise a glass to Lars Schall. :beer:
 
Veeeery interesting.......and bullish.

Imagine if this becomes the new trend for foreign nations.
 
Yes, if this is true, it looks to me like BIG news.
there are direct quotes (in German) from Bundesbank statement, with analysis re: their previous statements (not older than few months, stating the contrary, i.e. them having "full trust" in the Fed and other holders of their gold), and what that implies, in that Zerohedge article above. So 1st, it is true, 2nd, has very very big implications: essentially, major central banks are no longer all warm and fuzzy with each other, and the trust between them is gone. Things might accelerate from here.
 

http://www.jsmineset.com/2013/01/15...ns-officially-repatriating-gold-from-the-fed/
 
The whole point of repatriation is to bring physical gold back under the control of the original holder nation, i.e., into their own vaults. So whatever portion they decide to repatriate, it will be all phys

Thanks... yes, I understand this. What my question is, and I can understand the way I worded my question in the original post is open to this interpretation.... but the question is, how much of their gold are they pulling out of the NY Fed's vaults? The article only says a portion...
 
This news, the inevitable raising of the debt ceiling, and my old 50 sma are all looking pretty bullish in the near future.
 
That Germany is only going to request a portion of its gold back from the Fed is quite telling to me. They are taking 100% out of France, but only a percentage from the US.

Call me a skeptic, but I think this may be a 'behind-the-scenes deal' perhaps to cover the fact that it may not all be there?
 
I also read at today's ZH posting that a commenter said there would be a Press Conference tomorrow, I cannot say if that is true. If it IS true, then that would be a huge story (Germany taking their gold home).

Pt climbed over Au today, has been spiking (S African production problems and increased automotive demand).

J C Penney and Barnes & Noble have problems, saw them just today (anecdotal evidence of course).

"Big News & Little News"

http://tinyurl.com/a63ucbb
 
Call me a skeptic, but I think this may be a 'behind-the-scenes deal' perhaps to cover the fact that it may not all be there?

Since the French elections, the lover's knot between Germany and France has unraveled. In the past when they parted ways, the result was usually war. At the very least this is an economic war with Germany versus France with Germany holding all of the Aces.

Since the financial condition of France is bordering on the PIIGS financial conditions, this may be a move, either directly or indirectly, by Germany to force France into a corner. If so, then Germany will "colonize" another country to add to the current list, namely the Balkans and Greece, with Cyprus soon to join. Italy and Spain are well on their way to colonization already.
 
AEP apparently reads Jim Sinclair's blog:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...m-New-York-and-Paris-in-watershed-moment.html

It appears that the Bundesbank released a statement:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...iate-674-tons-of-gold-to-germany-by-2020.html
 
I've been thinking about this a bit and I'm not sure that the repatriation is going to have any direct impact on the markets. It's possible that the move could spark other countries/central banks to follow suit (especially where the population is already pressuring for audits/repatriation) thereby having an indirect impact, but what strikes me as curious is that the Bundesbank is not repatriating gold from the only hub that charges them a custodial fee - from England - where rehypothecation is purportedly taking place without limits or restraint.
 
I'm very busy right now, but consider this:

Why does it take 8 years to get 674 tons home to Germany? The only reason can be leasing or swap agreements, i.e. the Buba doesn't want to cause shortages due to abrupt terminations of these deals. :doodoo:

Another fact is burried in a German pdf presentation by a member of the Buba board, it says on p. 17 "LGD-Standard erreichen, sofern nicht gegeben" = "reach London good delivery standard, as far as not given".
http://www.bundesbank.de/Redaktion/...essegespraech_gold.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
It means that they own bars that are either not the standard 400 oz weight, size, or quality.

If somebody amoung has some spare time left, you could do the math and figure out whether the oz to bar ratio taken from p. 10 of the pdf is indicating that the bars are not 400oz sized:

location / moz / bars

Frankfurt / 33,3 Mio. / 82.857
New York / 49,4 Mio. / 122.597 1.536
London / 14,3 Mio / 35.640 445
Paris / 12,0 Mio. / 29.775 374

Total / 109,0 Mio. / 270.869 3.391
 
...
If somebody amoung has some spare time left, you could do the math and figure out whether the oz to bar ratio taken from p. 10 of the pdf is indicating that the bars are not 400oz sized: ...

Frankfurt -> avg 401.897 toz/bar
New York -> avg 402.946 toz/bar
London -> avg 401.234 toz/bar
Paris -> avg 403.023 toz/bar
 

The guy called Frank Schäffler at 1:50 is kind of a German Nigel Farage, he wants the whole gold at home and said that it should be tested for authenticity, he also talked about a gold backed currency and the question of ownership
 
Last edited:
getting Germany's gold back home might be important for the future of Eurozone as well, Rickards mentioned in "Currency Wars", that EZ as a whole has the biggest official stockpile of gold (bigger than the US). He mentions further, that although official stockpile of EZ is the biggest, but big part of it is stored in the US vaults (which, in case of extreme turmoil, might essentially lead to "you say you want your gold - come and get it! Otherwise, here's some certificates for you to confirm your share" )

Whichever way one wants to read this development, one thing is clear: big boys do not trust each other anymore. Things could not be better than this, for the mankind, in the long run. They need to be at each other's throats, otherwise they simply destroy small people.
 

My primary argument against a world wide conspiracy ...........

Sure they will act together in limited, self serving, short term ways but its difficult to envisage a worldwide cabal of controllers all standing shoulder to shoulder, come what may.
 
rblong2us!

Yes, that is what I believe as well. The elite is too fractured to rule us, at least for now. Too many factions with their own agendas.
 

Hmmmm. No one commented on this comment I posted. And today I was proved right.

The gold is very likely NOT there. It will take the Fed SEVEN YEARS to get Germany's gold back to its rightful owner, even though Germany's claim is only for about 5% of what the Fed says they have in their vaults.
 
Last edited:
Hard to be certain about this Jetstream .........
Think if it was beyond doubt, there would be a lot more happening in the gold markets.

It certainly points towards there being an issue though. And Germany is only asking for some of its gold to be returned.
 
Jetstream- it's all speculation at this point. Probable, but not proven.
 
Jetstream- it's all speculation at this point. Probable, but not proven.

Fair enough. Proven was too adamant a word. My skepticism at the beginning as to why only a percentage of Germany's gold would be requested from the Fed was "shown by the events of the following day to have been well founded."

The US can keep on dodging the call to audit their gold holdings in various places, but all that needs to happen is for several countries who have some of their gold in the USA to insist on audits of their own gold to start the domino effect and the charade will be over.
 
Actually a lot is happening in the gold markets. The price suppression is going on as strongly as ever. Without the heavy-handed slamming of 2 or 3 major banks, the price would be shooting upwards.
 
This post of mine was on Jan 15th.

The following comes from KWN on the 16th. (The full commentary is here)
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldn...Years_For_Gold_To_Be_Returned_To_Germany.html


I feel on pretty safe ground when I say my assertion has moved out of the "probable" category and entering the "proven" category.:wave:
 
technically, it is all hearsay, but I agree with you, the probability is very very high (if not certain)
 
When Chavez set the wheels in motion to repatriate Venezuela's 200 tons of gold, that took over a year IIRC. There were a lot of logistics to work out. It didn't happen over night.
 

http://gata.org/node/12155
 

More (incl. video): http://www.silverdoctors.com/cnbcs-...repatriation-could-be-start-of-gold-bank-run/
 
I still can't believe we are sitting under 1700 after all this news.
 
The Swiss seem to be following suit. http://www.silverdoctors.com/gold-bank-run-accelerating-now-the-swiss-want-their-gold-back-all-1040-tons-of-it/

 
Cookies are required to use this site. You must accept them to continue using the site. Learn more…