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While Bernanke spent his afternoon today outlining why the gold standard can never work (never mind the fact that it worked perfectly for 2 centuries in America), the Bundesbank has just shattered the remaining confidence in the fractional bullion banking system, announcing that it will repatriate a portion of its gold reserves from the NY Federal Reserve, and ALL 374 tons of its gold held at the Bank of France!
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The Bundesbank has developed a new concept as to where she should continue storing her gold reserves. According to information of the Handelsblatt, this approach which will be announced next Wednesday will repatriate the domestic gold, and store less gold in New York, and will hold no more gold in Paris.
Currently, the gold of the Bundesbank outsourced their claims to New York, London, Paris and Frankfurt. In the American Federal Reserve the Bundesbank stores 45 percent of the total 3,396 tonnes of gold, in the Bank of England in London, 13 percent, in the Bank of France in Paris eleven percent and 31 percent at its headquarters in Frankfurt. This distribution is about to change.
The whole point of repatriation is to bring physical gold back under the control of the original holder nation, i.e., into their own vaults. So whatever portion they decide to repatriate, it will be all physI wonder what part of that portion they are demanding in physical.
there are direct quotes (in German) from Bundesbank statement, with analysis re: their previous statements (not older than few months, stating the contrary, i.e. them having "full trust" in the Fed and other holders of their gold), and what that implies, in that Zerohedge article above. So 1st, it is true, 2nd, has very very big implications: essentially, major central banks are no longer all warm and fuzzy with each other, and the trust between them is gone. Things might accelerate from here.Yes, if this is true, it looks to me like BIG news.
Jim Sinclair said:...
Charles De Gaulle was the first person in modern history to call the hand of the USA on its then obligation to convert French held dollar reserves into gold. I was a senior trader at the time.
History will look back on this salvo fired across US war financing as being the beginning of the end of the US dollar as the reserve currency of choice.
The reaction on the part of the US was to cut the tie between the dollar and convertibility. This again raises the question of does the USA have fungible gold to the degree that is claimed without 3rd party audits or any viewing publicly whatsoever.
If it is true as reliable sources today reported that Germany wishes to repatriate a significant amount of its gold, then that request is a modern version of the first salvo that Charles de Gaulle fired at the US treasury over convertibility.
Assume that no close violated Alf’s downside price and it is possible that today’s revelation concerning Germany is an event leading to gold’s first main target above the recent high of $2111. It is significant because under normal circumstances no major central bank would insult another major central bank in that manner.
Today’s report, if true, is a salvo fired at the concept that the USA has all the gold it claims and all the gold it stores for others. If true, this event is the most important gold development since Charles De Gaulle called the US hand that it would stand by convertibility which many then assumed it could not because even then the amount of gold held was publicly questioned.
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The whole point of repatriation is to bring physical gold back under the control of the original holder nation, i.e., into their own vaults. So whatever portion they decide to repatriate, it will be all phys
James Turk said:...
We just have to wait and see exactly what the Bundesdbank says tomorrow about their plan regarding gold repatriation. The key here is that although the newspaper in Germany is considered credible, the reality is that we need to see an official statement from the Bundesbank. ...
Call me a skeptic, but I think this may be a 'behind-the-scenes deal' perhaps to cover the fact that it may not all be there?
The move marks an extraodinary breakdown in trust between leading central banks and has set off ferment among gold enthusiasts, with some comparing it with France’s withdrawal of gold from the US under President Charles de Gaulle as the Bretton Woods currency system crumbled in the late 1960s.
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The Bundesbank will repatriate 674 metric tons of gold from vaults in Paris and New York by 2020 to restore public confidence in the safety of Germany’s reserves.
The phased relocation of the gold, currently worth about 27 billion euros ($36 billion), will begin this year and result in half of Germany’s reserves being stored in Frankfurt by the end of the decade, the Bundesbank said in a statement today. It will bring home all 374 tons of its gold held at the Banque de France and a further 300 tons from the New York Federal Reserve, it said. Holdings at the Bank of England will remain unchanged.
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The Bundesbank is negotiating auditing rights with its partner central banks. Thiele said he visited all storage locations last year and the returning gold will be examined. He declined to comment on the cost of the transfers, saying only it is “economically tolerable for the Bundesbank.”
While German gold is stored for free in New York and Paris, the Bank of England charges between 500,000 euros and 550,000 euros a year.
Thiele said the decision to repatriate all German gold from Paris “won’t cause any diplomatic problems” and that Bundesbank President Jens Weidmann and his French counterpart Christian Noyer had discussed the decision.
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If somebody amoung has some spare time left, you could do the math and figure out whether the oz to bar ratio taken from p. 10 of the pdf is indicating that the bars are not 400oz sized: ...
Whichever way one wants to read this development, one thing is clear: big boys do not trust each other anymore. Things could not be better than this, for the mankind, in the long run. They need to be at each other's throats, otherwise they simply destroy small people.
Too many factions with their own agendas.
That Germany is only going to request a portion of its gold back from the Fed is quite telling to me. They are taking 100% out of France, but only a percentage from the US.
Call me a skeptic, but I think this may be a 'behind-the-scenes deal' perhaps to cover the fact that it may not all be there?
Jetstream- it's all speculation at this point. Probable, but not proven.
Actually a lot is happening in the gold markets. The price suppression is going on as strongly as ever. Without the heavy-handed slamming of 2 or 3 major banks, the price would be shooting upwards.Hard to be certain about this Jetstream .........
Think if it was beyond doubt, there would be a lot more happening in the gold markets.
It certainly points towards there being an issue though. And Germany is only asking for some of its gold to be returned.
That Germany is only going to request a portion of its gold back from the Fed is quite telling to me. They are taking 100% out of France, but only a percentage from the US.
Call me a skeptic, but I think this may be a 'behind-the-scenes deal' perhaps to cover the fact that it may not all be there?
I feel on pretty safe ground when I say my assertion has moved out of the "probable" category and entering the "proven" category.:wave:Today acclaimed money manager Stephen Leeb told King World News the reason Germany is only getting small portions of their gold sent to them over the years is because the gold is not at the Fed. Leeb also believes the United States is now running out of physical gold to sell in their price suppression scheme. Here is what Leeb had to say: “There are two main parties engaged in a battle for economic and monetary supremacy in the world. This is China vs the United States. Interestingly, at least for a period of time, both countries don’t want to see the price of gold take off.”
Stephen Leeb continues:
“The Chinese don’t want to see the price of gold take off because they still want to buy a lot of it. The Chinese took in at least 1,000 tons of gold last year, and maybe even more. This total represents Hong Kong imports plus their own production.
This year the Chinese are really going to play the game much more aggressively with these Shanghai markets that are going to have international players actively trading in them. They will also trade derivatives, and the Chinese will accumulate gold through their new ETF.
The trouble the Chinese have is their internal production of gold is becoming more difficult to maintain....
“They just can’t, like so many others, replace the gold reserves, which would then be exploited in future mining.
It’s extraordinary up to now the percentage of reserves the Chinese have been mining, up to 35% of their gold reserves. I’ve never seen any country mine that percentage of reserves for any metal. You look at the pace of their mining and you can easily conclude they are desperate for gold.
If the gold price lifts off, that poses a major threat to the US dollar. So the United States has been the leader in the gold price suppression scheme. This is why so much gold has left Western vaults. The Germans now want their gold back from the Fed.
So Germany has asked for the gold stored at the Fed to be returned to Germany. The amount of gold the US supposedly has stored for the Germans is 1,536 tons. This can certainly be shipped to Germany. Yet it’s going to take 6 or 7 years to return a small portion of the gold to Germany? Why?
They ship much more oil than gold. This is ridiculous. What do they expect? Do they expect the gold to blow up? Last I heard gold doesn’t even oxidize or even tarnish, much less blow up. Why can’t they just load it on a ship or on planes and send it? Something doesn’t add up here, Eric.
The reality here is that the German gold has been leased out and it’s not sitting in the vault. So the Fed has agreed to return very small portions of the German gold each year, which is supposedly stored at the Fed. Well, the gold isn’t there and that’s why it is going back to Germany in small portions each year.
Having relocated from Russia Today to Yahoo Finance's "Daily Ticker" program, Lauren Lyster today interviewed fund manager and "Currency Wars" author James G. Rickards about the Bundesbank's attempt to repatriate some of Germany's gold, a move Rickards considers "world historical" in importance, confirming that gold is "the real base money, high-powered money." Rickards also expects that China this year or next will announce a tripling or quadrupling of its gold reserves after acquiring the metal surreptitiously. The interview is five minutes long and can be viewed at Yahoo Finance here:
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...patriate-gold-affect-investors-170006263.html
... The “gold conspiracy theories” have now gone mainstream with a CNBC Market Mystery segment discussing the Bundesbank’s gold repatriation over the weekend, ...
CNBC’s Guy Adami: This is a huge story in my opinion that is not a huge story now, but will be a huge story. Why is that? Because you have to ask yourself, why would Germany decide to do this? What do they see that the rest of us don’t see that requires them to physically move this gold out of lower Manhattan and obviously in Paris, as well, back to their borders? I think that’s really the question you have to ask, and the answer is, it can’t be anything good...
If you think Germany is going to be the last, they’re not. People will line up and do this. You talk about runs on banks? This could potentially be exactly that! Because if everybody wants their metal back at once, you better hope that A, that it’s there and B, that we’re able to do it!
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Interestingly, Switzerland has been a long time before the Germans and taken without public vertebral the topic. Circles from the People’s Party launched 16 months ago, the gold initiative. Because the project in parliament remained chance would just started as the last remaining means an initiative, the initiators said then. By referendum, they want to force the SNB to store all the gold in Switzerland and sell no single ton more. In addition to the SNB within 5 years after voting to increase their gold holdings massively so that it accounts for a fifth of the minimum in the whole balance.
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