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What if it had fallen?

You buy gold - with cash - and the value gets run down 10 percent by an algo attack out of Gnu Yark...you say "awshit" and move on. You buy on margin - or buy with borrowed money - now you're in more-significant discomfort.

Just sayin'. I'm not suggesting our esteemed Mr. Irons is a fool, not at all. I'm just saying there's not any real safety that way.

And safety is why we do what we do.
 
A pretty safe Gamble though. @Irons is buying Gold ( Hard Asset ) with the Credit.

Even if @Irons only paid off 1/2 the Credit & assuming that, at the least, the Value of the Gold purchased hadn't dropped significantly, @Irons still has a Hard Asset to sell to clear his Credit.

A reasonable risk if u don't mind playing with Credit :unsure:
if you want to tag Irons all you have to do is jingle a bag of sovereigns with a coffee picture attached :ROFLMAO:
 
What if it had fallen?

You buy gold - with cash - and the value gets run down 10 percent by an algo attack out of Gnu Yark...you say "awshit" and move on. You buy on margin - or buy with borrowed money - now you're in more-significant discomfort.

Just sayin'. I'm not suggesting our esteemed Mr. Irons is a fool, not at all. I'm just saying there's not any real safety that way.

And safety is why we do what we do.
:iagree:

I hear what ur saying mate & agree that safety is the #1 Priority. But for some Credit is the only option to get a foot in the door.

Not that many people can buy a House ( even a Car these days ) without using Credit.

I've always been well paid & even a small biz for 10 yrs ( Biz was $110,000 & was a lot of debt 25 yrs ago ), but it took me until 55yrs old to be able dump Credit & become Debt Free. I'm now 64 yrs, Debt free & a PM's Stack :cool:

So sometimes a gamble with some Credit is the only option.

I have been hit 3 X on my MC's ( none my fault ), but still ride. That's a Gamble I'm willing to take for the pleasure it gives me. We all make our choice & have to live or die by them.
 
What if it had fallen?

You buy gold - with cash - and the value gets run down 10 percent by an algo attack out of Gnu Yark...you say "awshit" and move on. You buy on margin - or buy with borrowed money - now you're in more-significant discomfort.

Just sayin'. I'm not suggesting our esteemed Mr. Irons is a fool, not at all. I'm just saying there's not any real safety that way.

And safety is why we do what we do.
 
What if it had fallen?

You buy gold - with cash - and the value gets run down 10 percent by an algo attack out of Gnu Yark...you say "awshit" and move on. You buy on margin - or buy with borrowed money - now you're in more-significant discomfort.

Just sayin'. I'm not suggesting our esteemed Mr. Irons is a fool, not at all. I'm just saying there's not any real safety that way.

And safety is why we do what we do.
I was making good money back then so it was like going to the casino. If I lost I would have paid up, it was all part of the game.


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Not that many people can buy a House ( even a Car these days ) without using Credit.
Can't speak to what the UK situation is. But here in the States, there's a few curious trends.

There is no such thing anymore as an inexpensive home. JB, a Eww Toober, did a walk-through of some Texas "affordable housing" properties, while transiting across the southern United States from Calistania.

The homes were on lots scarcely bigger than the structure. And the structures were RIDICULOUSLY small and narrow.

Asking price was in the $140k range. In the economy of 20 years ago, those would have been, not just less money - they'd have been unsaleable at any price. And IMHO, they will again be unsaleable. No space, land the size of a vegetable garden, and a whole lot of not-very-nice people buying in (occupied homes in that development were using rags or sheets as draperies, obvious from the road.

Okay, that's homes. Cars? While the average new-car price inches towards $50k (what I paid for a house, 23 years ago) AFFORDABLE cars are DISAPPEARING. Ford axed almost all their car models - only the Mustang and some BEV scheisse remains on the lines. GM, also. First they discontinued their compact cars, using Korean (Daewoo) models as rebadged Chevrolets, and then just stopped even pretending.

All of them have. Even Nissan, which is becoming Japan's Studebaker. They cut their evergreen affordable models for 2026. And Mitsubishi discontinued its Poverty Special, the Mirage. Which was not a bad car, just an unglamorous, primitive one (primitive for today. It was a better car than economy models in the 1980s).

They just ARE NOT SELLING. Almost all vehicles in the US are now four-wheel-drive. And those stupid lifted four-door, two-row trucks, with tiny boxes in back and $90k price tags, are what the makers are focusing on. They sold well until the last two years.

Used? A North Carolina used-car dealer, Brandon, who runs three Eww Toob channels...he sells cars under $5000. Seems like an honest guy. He has said constantly that he LIKES cars with blemishes like burned paint, because he can buy them cheap and sell them at low prices to people who just want a work car.

This week he's stopped that - a philosophy shift. His sales team says they can't get people interested in cars with damaged paint or factory-stock wheels. EVERYONE WANTS BLING. They'll buy cars with KNOWN issues, because it's got a loud paintjob with trim, and ghetto rims.

So I blame the drugging and dumbing-down of the (m)asses for all this.

How does it tie in with your point? SAVING for, and then buying-within-budget, a car or other large purchase, takes discipline and planning - intelligence. We don't seem to have that anymore. Look at Zac Rio's channel on all the young people who've gotten into the hundreds-of-thousands into debt - with stupid car choices, or just living on those stupid credit cards and BNPL programs.

The problem seems, not so much inability to save, as, inability to think, plan, budget, and live within one's means.
 
It's gettin to the point where you could build a car yourself cheaper than you could buy one.
Truth.

Except that my crippled old body isn't up to it. Been something I've had to live with for two years, now, since I broke the hip. Just getting down on the floor (imperative with major auto repair work) means a big-deal getting back up.

I'd done some cursory investigation into importing a 25-year-old Beetle up from Mexico. Legally, it's doable - 25-years-old is the cutoff age. And they sold a LOT of them down there. As well as Nissan Sentras - not-bad 1980s cars; built in Mexico until just a few years ago. Used as taxis.

Problem, I came to realize...is that Mexicans (in Mexico) unlike Japanese or even some European region's people...Mexicans tend not to take care of their cars. Or, at least, their cars are not taken care of well. Seems that only the wealthy down there can buy new cars (businesses bought a lot of new Beetles). Then they sold, after a few years. Because they were wealthy and had images to hold up.

The cars would quickly move down the food chain and not get any sort of real maintenance. So, finding a well-preserved 25-year-old Mexican car, is well-nigh impossible.

Japanese domestic models can be had in great shape - but, right-hand-drive, Japanese characters on the controls, and a HEFTY price tag on them. A Cleveland motorcycle dealer imports JDM cars as a sideline. Want to spend $10k for a 25-year-old car with no infrastructure, no parts or shop manuals, for, in this country?

In Mexico's case, it's a shame. Mexico has an interesting bit of auto history. Willys, the Jeep people, opened a Mexican plant right after WWII. Mexico's move to collectivism had them nationalize it - but with some compensation for the owners. By that time, Henry Kaiser - the Hoover Dam builder (also created Kaiser Permanente) owned Willys-Overland. Kaiser was right at home with public-private partnerships, and had no issue with the partial nationalization. He allowed Mexico to update products to parallel his own.

AMC bought Kaiser-Jeep (new name for Willys) and AMC tried to make this curious setup an opportunity. They licensed their cars to the Mexican Jeep company, by then named VAM. So until 1983, VAM made AMC cars, some of them with unique-to-Mexico brands. Like "Rambler Classic" - a name phased out in the States, 20 years earlier.

(They also made a unique-to-Mexico in-line six based on the Rambler, later Jeep, six - same block, longer stroke. The Mexicans did it well - it's considered a primo engine choice if you're replacing; and there are a few in boneyards. As well, it was the Mexicans that put the Jeep in-line six into the new XJ - instead of the V6 that Renault-Jeep product-planners wanted. It worked so well, the Mexicans got the Jeep engineers to look at it, and the Americans had a hard sell to get the Renault managers to okay it)

Point is, though...there just are no more practical cheap-car options. All taken away. There's a reason why we don't have used cars imported from India or Mexico - because they're beaten to crap.
 
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