Dogecoin: does it have potential?

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Potemkin

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Hi,

I've been reading a lot about Dogecoin. If you're familiar with the subject, what do you think: will this be the next Litecoin?

Everyone is crazy about it and it seems very cheap right now and I put my hands on a few.

But they will be mining 100 billion and about 36 billion are already out there.

Media says it's a "pump & dump" coin.

I can imagine it will go to zero once the 100 billion have been mined out.
 
OK you didnt buy into bitcoin and were quite rude about it IIRC ......

and ever since youve been asking what this group thought about various alternative crypto currencies, in the hope you might be persuaded to invest some hard earned paper in an upcoming crypto.

I can see the attraction of crypto currencies but do not hold any because I am a Luddite.

Be brave and buy some but treat it as buying a lottery ticket and just forget about it for a while. Perhaps Dodgecoin will do well, or perhaps someone is generating large numbers of small value dodgecoin transactions and feeding biased articles to whoever will post it up .......

The consensus here seems to be that Gold and Silver have bottomed and can only go up from where we are.
 
Yes Dogecoin is a pump and dump coin. (that has already been pumped.) Nothing new and innovative at all. A good silly marketing campaign though...

Not that I would buy this myself, but if you want to try a pump and dump you might consider 'Kittehcoin' currently has a 2.3 million CAP and I can see it playing off Dogecoin to do a Doge vs. Kitteh type silliness.

If you actually want to invest in a crypto-currency that improves on Bitcoin my suggestion is NXT.
 
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I would not know, but based on the ONE guy I know who mines them (but not Bitcoin) likes them because of the "cute environment"... Ahh, no gracias!

I have heard that zerocoin and quarkcoin may work out. But, until I have Bitcoin figured out well enough for me, I would avoid all of them except BTC, but only bet what you can afford to lose.

Disclosure, I own some BTC, what a ride, good as Vegas!
 
Well, a couple other programmers and I were joking about them the other night on G+ vidchat. Someone offered 100 of them doggy-coins (the official pronunciation if I heard right) for an obsolete disk drive, and everyone laughed (and no takers). IIRC, it was started as a joke on either 4-chan or Reddit - I forget. You just can't tell anymore what things like that will evolve into. Sometimes the joke winds up being on the joker.

The issue with all crypto-currencies is pretty much what Ron Paul used to have on his desk - "Don't steal, the government doesn't like competition".

Doesn't matter who pumps. The .gov is going to come in and dump it at some point.
Just look at the news - after the silk road bust, now some people pretty high up in the bitcoin biz are being busted because they were helping "launder money". Maybe so, maybe not, who knows (or cares). But one thing that makes BC work is that it's very much NOT anonymous if someone can break Tor anonymity - and the recent bust proves it's possible, even easy - the blockchain shows who has owned each one in turn, it's a bonanza for anyone with enough resources - EG FBI, NSA, three-letter anyone, and quite a few well setup individuals, to simply trace it back to whoever.
Or steal it. BC has quite a history of theft.

So, no matter who pumps, some government (and we know who owns them) is gonna make it dump at some point, there is no real anonymity on the 'net, ever. How you gonna spend it without telling someone where to send what you bought, anyway?

Harry Harrison's "stainless steel rat" series shows how hard it is to be a "successful criminal" in a world of bits - and was written when I was a boy, lo these many years ago. Not that great as sci-fi, but it points out the issues.

One has to wonder...Bitcoin and any other crypto-currency encourages people to learn how to solve crypto problems really fast - could it be a false flag, or a total oops by the guys who let crypto become a popular thing to become good at? This article has an interesting take on that part:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/27/altcoin_gpu_market_crash_security_nightmare/

Because mining bitcoins involves essentially learning how to break a certain type of crypto (SHA-N hashes) as fast as possible. Hmmm, who does that help? Who really stands to benefit? Always follow the money. Cui bono.

My take is this - all these things move, and where there's motion, there's money to be made if you're on the correct side of the trade and timing. Period. Thinking *anything* you trade has actual intrinsic value is about as sensible as saying because I owned GM stock as they went bankrupt, I can go demand a nice big machine for my stock certificates. Sorry pal (actually, I was so short GM it bought me a nice new GM car, but that's another story - the rest of the corrupt markets let me cover my short for pennies, that time).

So, as advised, treat it as a lottery ticket - or better, as a trade, knowing you could wind up a bagholder when the dump comes, and the more successful it is, the more likely that enforced dump becomes.

Like many things, all these favor those with the most resources. You wanna bet you can outdo the deficit-spenders with a printing press? GoodLuckWithThat. You might do fine as an in and out trade, however - like DoChen says (calm down man, I'm on your side) - it can be better than Vegas - almost certainly if you're on the right side of it. Just don't get complacent.

But when something was started as a joke, well, you'll likely get what you deserve.
Nothing is impossible, but some things are pretty unlikely.
 
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Because mining bitcoins involves essentially learning how to break a certain type of crypto (SHA-N hashes) as fast as possible. Hmmm, who does that help? ...

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you didnt buy into bitcoin and were quite rude about it IIRC ......

I wasn't rude about anyone. And what's an "IIRC"?

Perhaps Dodgecoin will do well, or perhaps someone is generating large numbers of small value dodgecoin transactions and feeding biased articles to whoever will post it up .......

It's dogecoin. If you don't know the name, you don't know anything about it. So, how can you have an opinion about something you don't know?

The consensus here seems to be that Gold and Silver have bottomed and can only go up from where we are.

You cannot know that.
 
IIRC = If I Remember Correctly
 
Because mining bitcoins involves essentially learning how to break a certain type of crypto (SHA-N hashes) as fast as possible. Hmmm, who does that help?

It's an interesting question, there are some good discussions on the Bitcoin forum, development sub-section from time to time. (Which are way over my head.)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151120.0

Basically Bitcoin uses secp256k1, which so far has no known exploits, even though it is theoretically possible.

Similar algorithms like Secp256r1 could have potential exploits.

Personally I think just gaining 51% of the hashing power with circa $500 million is a much bigger vulnerability myself.

Edit: Digital currency was always going to be secured with some form of cryptography & so far, 4 years in, it looks like Bitcoin has chosen one of the best.

I also don't think the NSA is going to deliberately empower a libetarian leaning currency valued in the tens of billions of dollars, that risks unsettling the existing status quo just to help them break a few codes faster.
(Also once a specific cryptography is known to be broken people quickly switch to something else, so there is limited value there.)
 
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Well, in a sense, bitcoin mining IS an exploit - already worked-out hashes for collision testing by "someone". But I also agree on the other - if you can control a majority of the network, it's all yours. There are significant risks all around - we are in "greater fool" territory with all of them at this point. Maybe you get lucky. Maybe you don't. At least in part, it depends on a supply of greater fools, that have things to exchange and will take them. If things get bad, historically, the greater fool population diminishes (or even if they still believe, they have nothing to give in return) and takes a long time to come back to the table.
 
It may be joke coin, but what if it's not?

There are some concrete facts about it that amazed me:
http://www.primevalues.org/market-watch/dogecoins-dramatic-rise.htm

It's more traded than Bitcoin and it had a huge spike in December 2013. It's not that popular yet and it seems as successful as foolish it is.

It started out as a joke, but it has a market cap of 60 million $. That's more than Namecoin:
http://coinmarketcap.com

The news is picking it up:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/dogecoin-become-fifth-most-valuable-crypto-currency-1434544

This is a silly coin, but just look at the figures.
 
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I wasn't rude about anyone. And what's an "IIRC"?



It's dogecoin. If you don't know the name, you don't know anything about it. So, how can you have an opinion about something you don't know?



You cannot know that.

lulz
 
If you get greedy then you will have nothing.

Do not make this same mistake again.
 
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@ Potemkin and rblong2us

Yes, of course we really KNOW very little. For me I look at things from a probability perspective.

My bets on BTC can all be lost and it changes nothing in my life. But, it is interesting, and quite an infrastructure has been built up. But, when the young 'un told me how he mined DOGECOIN because of the "cute environment", well that did it for me, I will not play with that one.
 
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@ Potemkin and rblong2us

Yes, of course we really KNOW very little. For me I look at things from a probability perspective.

My bets on BTC can all be lost and it changes nothing in my life. But, it is interesting, and quite an infrastructure has been built up. But, when the young 'un told me how he mined DOGECOIN because of the "cute environment", well that did it for me, I will not play with that one.

That is exactly what's making it popular. It started as a joke and people like it. It sounds stupid, but many people already made fortunes.

Dogecoin is considered a "pump and dump" coin. So, from what I understand - it's a speculative thing.

It is cheap, while Bitcoin and Litecoin are a lot more expensive.
 
That is exactly what's making it popular. It started as a joke and people like it. It sounds stupid, but many people already made fortunes.

Dogecoin is considered a "pump and dump" coin. So, from what I understand - it's a speculative thing.

It is cheap, while Bitcoin and Litecoin are a lot more expensive.

So did you buy into the concept ?

If theres a core of people who think its cute then it could have early adopters who will stick with it.

Ok theres not much support here but this in a precious metals forum so its a bit like asking if we would be keen on another paper based fiat currency....
 
...hmm DOGE might be a computer fiat, but I was just thinking... it could spike like Bitcoin.

Just that they're making more than 100 billion and it's now said to be uncapped... I don't know why they need that much of it.

At least Bitcoin wasn't inflated. But this one is.

The cuteness ensures it marketing power. Not that I personally care about it...
 
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