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ADK

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ADK,
Get yourself a nice Mossberg model 500. Then, go buy some buckshot. Drones are typically pretty slow, and will make for loads of fun when shooting them out of the sky.
 
The problem with an EMP generator good enough to take out a drone at distance is that it's kind of non-selective and will take out a lot of other things at similar distances, while emitting a trackable signal to tell any listeners where it is.

I wouldn't worry about maple-seed sized versions of these for awhile, there are plenty of issues around how to power it for more than a minute or so...range and airtime will be very short. The military is lusting for these kinds of things, but found simpler solutions for most of it - a small robot you can simply throw like a grenade through windows or over walls or onto roofs is where they are at right now.
"Where are the guys with guns hiding?" is the question they want to answer.

The main threat to us at this time is the larger, already developed drones that have good enough optics etc to see you at a longer range than you can (easily) see them.

The only way to reliably take these out of the sky right now (and this is just the old contest between the locksmith and the lock picker) would be a very accurate gun hooked to a passive (optical likely) detection/aiming system that scanned the sky for this kind of things, and had automatic provision for things like ranging and wind estimation, so you could take it out with one shot (two and they know where you are again and can send the data before the second one gets it).

So, a feedforward CIWS kind of thing that only needs one shot is about the only defense. Anything else wins the battle but loses the war - reveals you as a hostile.

Edit: And of course if a lot of drones get taken out in a particular area, that's when it's worth it to put boots on the ground to find out why. This would be a very hard one to win.
 
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I wouldn't worry about maple-seed sized versions of these for awhile, there are plenty of issues around how to power it for more than a minute or so...range and airtime will be very short. ...

I'm pretty sure I read an article years ago about some DARPA projects where they were trying to create "insect borgs" - insects they could control that carried cameras or mics. Power only needed for the camera/mic and not for transport.
 
Yup, you'd be right about that. But what works kinda-some in a lab vs what's practical to build and deploy in quantity...Insects are flakey even under some control, they might drift off to get a meal etc.

Again, something so short-range if you saw it you could probably easily find the ground controller and deal with that side of the equation directly instead. Great in a close-quarters city battle...not so useful in other situations.

Actually, the BW of video means so much xmitter power is required to move it any distance that power for that quickly becomes a limit as well. It's all about power density, here, electric cars, etc...the rest isn't so hard. Most of the DARPA work is for these things that only have to work a couple minutes to show our guys what's behind that wall. Those aren't going to be real useful for surveiling the general population.

That will be done by the big guys that can fly high and achieve lots of hours of in-air time. This little stuff is only for once you've really already figured out where a target probably is - if that happens to you, you're toast already anyway.

(very) Roughly speaking in aerodynamics, drag/loss goes up with surface area, whereas the power you can bring goes up with volume. So V^3 goes up a lot faster than V^2 - the old scaling issue.
 
ADK,
Get yourself a nice Mossberg model 500. Then, go buy some buckshot. Drones are typically pretty slow, and will make for loads of fun when shooting them out of the sky.

I'm an 870 man, myself

But, good point. Those newer drones, though, hover up so high I'm not sure that you could even spot them easily.

ADK
 
"Where are the guys with guns hiding?" is the question they want to answer.

This certainly seems to be the best use of these things. Hell, if I was next in line to walk into unknown territory, I'd sure want one of these things ahead of me.

All-in-all, I guess I just don't like the 1984-ness of these things.

Good point on the EMP. I guess we would need to get down to real basics (no electronics) in a shelter before using something of the sort.

I appreciate the comments though! I like to read other peoples opinions on this stuff.

 

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...becomes-first-to-pass-anti-drone-legislation-
 
So Senator Rand Paul has been pressuring the Obama Administration for a while on the drone issue:
More: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...u-can-kill-us-on-american-soil-or-not/273207/


More: http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/0...-the-cia-can-you-kill-with-drones-in-the-usa/

Looks like Holder confirmed it:
In a letter to Senator Rand Paul (R-KY), Attorney General Eric Holder said that the President could theoretically order lethal strikes within American borders under "extraordinary circumstance." ...

More: http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/5/4068580/attorney-general-holder-wont-rule-out-drone-strikes-in-us
 
And so it begins.....without due process........without discovery........without a chance to rebut or to face your accuser.......without a trial........and, for all we know, without any empirical evidence whatsoever.

How Kafkaesque of Obama, to declare [through the puppet Holder] that he can indeed sanction the assassination of an American Citizen on our own soil. Please stop the planet, I want to get off now. :+(
 

"He (Obama) wants a warrant, to tap a phone, but he doesn't want judicial oversight to kill an American" - that's something, isn't it?
 
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And so it begins.....without due process........without discovery........without a chance to rebut or to face your accuser.......without a trial........and, for all we know, without any empirical evidence whatsoever.

The scariest thing of all is, nobody seem to notice, that with "tools" like that, the gov.t can target ANYONE that's just simply inconvenient to them, first and foremost - their political opponents.

That's just staggering.
 
It's quite easy to jam GPS, encrypted or not. But unless you break the crypto, you can't make it go where you want, just confuse it. Of course, you have to know its there. The scary thing about the big drones is they fly so high you can't see them.

Be aware, an agency does have a sniffer/RDF satellite cluster to find sources of such jamming fairly quickly. So unless you're on the move, you'd be painting a target on your back.
 
If you stack some capacitors, you can pretty easily make an EMP generator. If you make the exploding wire kind, you get better distance out of it.
 

More: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/03/rand-paul-filibuster/



http://www.silverdoctors.com/watch-...-senate-over-drone-strikes-against-americans/


More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...gins-talking-filibuster-against-john-brennan/


More: http://www.latimes.com/news/politic...n-brennan-filibuster-20130307,0,6264955.story


http://michellemalkin.com/2013/03/06/poll-americans-spending-cut/

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If you think you're going to sit on the ground with even my 18kj maxwell cap bank (the kind of thing we invaded iraq around - and that will make a 50ft ball of plasma out of 1/2" copper conductors shorting it) and burn the front end out of the radios in a drone 30k feet up, without some pretty hard work, you're dreaming.

This is how it's done these days:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_pumped_flux_compression_generator

The cap only provides the initial magnetic field for an explosive-driven generator that puts out the real juice. By choosing the output device and antenna appropriately, you can pick what you burn out. You can tune things to the little slots in the back of a PC act like slot antennas and just burn out PC's. Or cell towers, or...power lines (all at different output frequencies). But, square law attenuation if you don't have a *directional antenna* which the better it is, the harder it is to aim right - and the bigger it is. Therefore, it will show up in sat pix.

Believe me, every major intelligence agency would be knocking on your door very shortly after making a spike like that. All of them, and not just ones from this country. There's a constellation of birds, "assets", constantly looking for just that kind of thing (partly because other things of interest also make such spikes). Even if the state of the current art is as retarded as it was when I myself designed such assets for a living.

I think the record jamming time, when someone took over a satellite feed to put porn on a christian station feed, lasted all of 30 min before they shut him down - physically, and in person. In other words, he was located in a fraction of a second, and that was the drive-time to his place for the feds. If you want to knock down drones, you'd better look for something that they can't see coming. Or more importantly, tell where it came from.

One precise projectile with passive aiming...a computer handling all the trajectory variables (wind, spin drift, Coriolis effect, lead etc). Chey tac makes something like that, but not good enough for this. Theirs won't handle moving targets.

But you still have the issue - if drones start falling out of the sky in an area, someone's going to be very interested in who can do that, why they are doing it, and they'll put a stop to it quick. Even I out in the boonies couldn't escape that level of scrutiny. Best just to stay under the radar - or work against the drone base itself.

Why do you think the people we currently use them against hate them so much? There's almost no effective countermeasure.
 
well the MSM ridicule of Paul has begun, spearheaded by McLame.
 
McCain and Graham are looking like desperate, old hacks. Their Jedi mind tricks aren't fooling anyone. Republican old guard seriously damaged themselves over this issue.
 
Love to hear the voice of reason over the partisan side-blindedness: Cenk from The Young Turks, with whom I disagree more often than not, is absolutely, 100% supporting RP on the recent filibuster (despite being sworn progressive democrat himself), and his reasoning is iron. It is piece of straight talk, that everyone who loves the truth has to agree with, and cherish. Such a refreshing thing:

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
 
Read the subtitles. Bad speech->text converter, it's hilarious!
The "constitution bidet" at the end? Damn, I'll have to steal that line!
:rotflmbo::clap:
 
I wouldn't worry about maple-seed sized versions of these for awhile, there are plenty of issues around how to power it for more than a minute or so...range and airtime will be very short. The military is lusting for these kinds of things,(...)
I don't know, in case of such small things, the amount of power required to get them airborne is not that big, so things like remote powering, using radio frequencies, maybe some resonance thrown in the mix (something like that remote gadget charging, that has been announced by TI maybe year-two ago), plus some narrow band antenna (one thing to remotely charge stuff in your living room, another power the "bug" drone few hundred meters away or so), and who knows... OR - who says, that these micro-drones cannot use something like micro fuel cells? After all, insects are capable of flying some significant distances without "refuelling", and they are not using anything nearly as energy dense, as chemical fuels that we have at our disposal...

I would not rule them out completely, in the near future... That would be real shit, but hey, we are getting there anyway...
 
The micro drones could be set up to use as signal repeaters could they not? this may extend the range of a much smaller unit and permit it to be used in situations where you need a signal to turn a corner, like inside a structure.
 
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...ny-to-sell-drone-defense-technology-to-public
 
... soon to be a must have accessory for every car and truck on the road.
 
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