Electric Vehicles (the good, the bad, the ugly)

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I had to smirk at some of those things. Light fixtures were hit-and-miss, in the 1970s-80s. My ex bought a VW Fox, new. Three months later, one taillight housing was filled to back-bulb level with water. I really had to work on that, with aquarium sealer and to be sure, put a couple of pinholes in the bottom of the housing. That would drain into the trunk, but better there than into the light housing.

Starters, yup, a lot of eurotrash cars had that problem. Remember, Fiat was kicked out of the American market in 1979. Nobody wanted one. Europeans were okay with them, because Europeans, living in an area about as big as Ohio/Pennsylvania/New York, could easily take a train anywhere. Or a friggin' taxicab.

Owning a car in Europe was, and probably still is, a status point, first. Bragging rights. Fiats look pretty sitting there, parked.

Parts were a problem. When you bought one, you were dependent on an inept, self-important braggart. Malcolm Bricklin. Two years into the Yugo project, he was already bored - he was letting the company self-destruct.

Valve springs...yeah, the engine, again. Fiat engines were and are crap. The Fiat 500, returned when they bought bankrupt Chrysler, showed they had learned nothing in 30 years' absence. Now, Chryslers and Jeeps, having been designed mostly by Fiat people, often in Europe, are just as crappy.

All this could have been worked out with development work. Yugo, Zastava, was just a motor-car works, run by the Party. No engineering. No new-product development. No customer-service reps.

The sad part is, it was sold to exactly the kind of people who couldn't deal with such problems - the marginal, the broke, the people with no Plan B or emergency money. Yeah, such people would have been better off with used cars from established brands.

I expected trouble when I bought mine - I got more than I thought (clutch failure, and then the engine destroyed with a timing-belt failure) but I knew it would give me a lot. The little things, like wiring problems (those WERE little things in that era) I could deal with.

It was a learning experience - both mechanical and political. I learned why government-ownership of industry, in a planned-economy environment, like Yugoslavia, does not work. It was the beginning of my conversion to Free-Market Conservatism.

So, in that regard, I'd say, probably, my Yugo was worth the price of admission.
 
So, in that regard, I'd say, probably, my Yugo was worth the price of admission.

I'd like to see a company make a basic car. Something without frills that you could be used as a grocery getter. People with limited means and peeps looking for something as a spare car could buy. But I'd want it made good, quality materials, quality workmanship. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening any time soon. Cars / trucks are just going to get more sophisticated each year.
 
Look at a Hyundai Venue SE or Elantra SE. $20k each and 35mpg+.
 
Look at a Hyundai Venue SE or Elantra SE. $20k each and 35mpg+.
Are they free of airbags? No "processors" up and down? No start/stop crapola?

No "driver assists"? How about, just, NO POWER STEERING on a light car?

Manual gearbox, instead of a computer-controlled CVT with a bird's-nest of wiring and sensors?





I thought not.

But thanks for trying.
 

The international expansion of Chinese electric vehicles


Tariffs are typically used at one of two key junctures in the development of a national economy: either at the time of industrial infancy, when they are trying to cultivate fledgling national champions, or at the time of financial senility, when a country’s elites are hoping to forestall impending decline. Donald Trump’s chaotically managed trade war is a clear example of the latter. Amid the intensifying retreat of American hegemony, however, an alternative geo-economic and geopolitical arrangement is coming into view: a battery-powered globalization with Chinese characteristics. In this reordering, China is poised to be the leading actor, with green technology the driver. Its most evident manifestation is the massive international expansion of its electric vehicles (EV) industry.

The excellence of Chinese EVs, which were until recently derided by the likes of Elon Musk, is now incontrovertible. What is more, China’s tech supremacy is quickly translating into market dominance, so much so that it is now threatening to overtake other leaders not only in the EV market, but in the automotive industry as a whole. This bears seismic consequences for international economic geography.

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The excellence of Chinese EVs, which were until recently derided by the likes of Elon Musk, is now incontrovertible.
Uh-huh.

Their clothing, shoes, zippers....microwaves, refrigerators, washing-machines....their concrete, air-quality, bio-weapons engineering, are ALL...LOUSY...but somehow their electric-cars are just wonderful.

Go onto the Toob of Ewe (or its competitors) and look for "electric bicycle battery fire." One I saw, a few months back, involved a guy who got an electric scooter capable of 60 mph...he bought it, charged it, took it for a ride, and at 30 mph, the battery-pack exploded, right between his legs.

He ditched it on the side of the road, his pants on fire (had a helmet Go-Pro); got his pants put out, and called the fire department. In the five minutes the FD took, the burning pile of lithium that was his new scooter, set fire to the lawn of the property owner where he made a hasty get-off.

Obviously that wasn't part of the wonderful miraculous EV technology that the Globalists are going to force on us favor us with.
 
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