March Silver in Backwardation

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http://www.silverseek.com/article/march-silver-backwardation

March Silver in Backwardation


Got silver?
 
It isn't the first time, and it won't be the last. The paper hangers want us to believe the price will truly be lower in March, but I for one am not buying it.

I will not sell my shiny white until TSHTF and it's one of the only things that will buy me anything.
 
i have been sooo tempted to throw the last few grand i have (of paper) at silver.

Im a bit pissed that my £40k silver investment, made back in september, is currently showing £32k but as we all know, ive not lost a single ounce.

I was particularly taken by the desperation that seemed to emanate from everywhere, even from Santa ......

How much lower can sentiment go ?
 
How much lower can sentiment go ?

General market sentiment is pretty high unfortunately... If things play out the way i'm thinking.. you'll want to be done buying all your physical by mid February. I've been trying to scale in whenever we get big swings down but it's really starting to look like that game might not work any longer. Trying to get a perfect buy might result in being left on the sidelines.
 
Watch Dr. Copper. When we demolish a structure, we salvage every gram of aluminum, copper, brass, steel, tin and cast iron. I assure you that prices for all of these metals is in terminal decline. Copper has been especially volatile the last several months. The word I get from Penny over at TMR, is that her asian buyers are only taking exactly what they have been paid deposits for and nothing else. They are telling her that production isslowing across the board in China, Taiwan, Malaysis and Vietnam.

It's going to be a wild first half of the year folks.

Buckle up!
 
Is the sentiment for silver the same as the sentiment for markets in general ?

I still see a lot of caution in comments, with Turd saying it may yet have to touch $25 but other signals, like COT, suggesting its near bottom.

Im not trading and thought it prudent to leave a few digits in the TBTF's pooter but im beginning to see it as less acceptable and possibly better converted into 'stuff'
 
Watch Dr. Copper. When we demolish a structure, we salvage every gram of aluminum, copper, brass, steel, tin and cast iron. I assure you that prices for all of these metals is in terminal decline.

which i read as a sign of no more money being available for infrastructure projects and commerce anticipating this.

So unless they come up with worldwide QE in even bigger numbers ( and a shorter half-life ) the heavy duty brown stuff finally meets its blade of destiny.

Making PMs decouple from metals not used as a store of value ........
 
This doesn't surprise me at all given sa's watchful eye on the jump in short term lease rates.

The last time silver went into backwardation, it was February 2011:
http://news.coinupdate.com/silver-poised-to-outperform-gold-0670/

Notice that silver was trading at almost the same price as it is now. It was the beginning of the run to $49 silver.

More backwardation chatter from February 2011:
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldn...ation_for_Years,_Possible_Hyperinflation.html

Really make you wonder about the speculation that the MF Global scandal might really have been a desperate attempt to stave off stress in the silver and gold futures.

Time to start checking if ScotiaMocatta and Perth Mint sell out of large silver bars like they did in February 2011 (with over 1 month delivery dates). I've already reported that inventories of 100 ozt silver bars at apmex are very low. This bears closer scrutiny to see what is happening more broadly.
 
The "30% premium over spot" headline at zerohedge is misleading. This only refers to PSLV.
 
James Turk made a $ 70 by march call recently. I thought he was out of his mind. Maybe he´s not.

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldn...d_is_Great,_But_Silver_is_the_Next_Apple.html
 
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Well.. I think i've seen enough.. I know i'm not getting price perfect but i'm going to go get some more ounces today. All in...
 
Right on Derek! I saw you scold Tyler for dropping the ball in the hoop a bit late earlier.

70 dollar silver would be nice indeed, however 688 dollar silver would be quite another thing altogether. I was reading through some of the comments on another site earlier, and some djiblottie was spouting about how silver is a bullshit metal and the government has bought up all the production for decades just to support the price.....when all of a sudden, another guy steps directly on his dick and explodes his head with a bolt of knowledge. It was truly entertaining!

Anyway, he goes on to explain how demand for precious metals is actually way off the charts, and if all paper had to be backed only 50% by real silver the price would have to be 688 per ounce and double that if all contracts had to be deliverable metals on demand.

How 'ya like them apples?
 
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This will probably be the only time I post ahead of those guys on zerohedge. Those guys are really on top of things.
 
And just wait until GOLD goes into backwardation! It rarely has in the past, and that was transitory...

Antal Fekete has written that if we have REAL BACKWARDATION in gold, it's party over. It means that no one will loan out their physical gold for a promise of LESS $ in the future...

Great catch and great quick commenting!
 
I wonder if Sprott is active now buying for his shelf filing. IIRC, he was buying for PSLV back in Feb-Apr 2011 during the last Contango dance.
 
Well.. I just did my part to ensure a shortage of physical.. lol
 
I suspect the recent rise in lease rates is a corroborating indicator here. "Brilliant" summer coming?
To early too call. March futures settle in one week. We'll see what happens when contract roll over to the next month. Sometimes the front month just shifts in to backwardation shortly before futures expiry. I have no explanation for that.
The short end of the futures curve (the upcoming months april-july 12 : http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/metals/precious/silver_quotes_globex.html ; look at prior settle to get an accurate picture!) is on the verge of backwardation right now. So something is clearly going on.
It's certainly not bearish, like the natural gas curve which is in deep contango.

 
I suspect the recent rise in lease rates is a corroborating indicator here. "Brilliant" summer coming?


Well.. Recently it has been the case that price has risen to correct this issue. However, I do think there is a question of whether or not delivery of gold/silver will actually be made at settlement, so we might not have people doing the arb for that reason. Why would you sell physical to buy the contract? Gain 3% more paper but risk not getting your metal back?
 
A trader at a tbtfb would do that. The only thing he cares about is his quarterly bonus.
 
A trader at a tbtfb would do that. The only thing he cares about is his quarterly bonus.

Yeah but would the trader actually have any silver to sell? The main reason why backwardation matters is that the arb has to sell physical and buy paper. That is a losing battle in the long run and seems pretty risky to me.
 
Yeah but would the trader actually have any silver to sell?
Most big banks offer unallocated pm accounts for customers which are backed by a fraction of physical. The traders of the banks use the customer assets to gamble, that's an on open secret. In some cases, this is even legal (e.g. in the UK) unless explicitly excluded by individual contract. So I guess this is almost certainly happening.
 
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