Natural Gas is trading below average production cost

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Ok, this is going to be a long post:

Natural gas is cheap. It has recently made (near) 10 year lows:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/09/us-markets-nymex-natgas-idUSBRE8280TD20120309

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Why?

There are three main reasons for the currently very low prices:
a. oversupply due to the mild winter which inventories at all time high
b. the shale gas revolution
c. open interest on the short side is huge due to producer hedging (see chart above). This opens up the potential of a short squeeze.

This massive oversupply is also reflected in the decisive contango of the futures curve:

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However, the shale gas revolution didn't make natural gas production cheaper. In fact, usually shale gas is more expensive to produce compared to conventional gas. Even the most optimistic estimates put the break even level for producers at $ 3.25/Mcf: http://www.energybulletin.net/node/49342 The current price is $ 2.32.

Some of the big US producers have way higher production costs (numbers are for 2008, might be a little lower now due to drilling technology improvements):
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Therefore many of them aren't making any profits and have consequently been cutting production:
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/02/13/drillers-cut-natural-gas-production-prices-drop.html

The oil/natural gas ratio is miles away from it's long-term average of ten:
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The market is already reacting to this as car, bus and truck manufacturers react to high gasoline prices by focusing on natural gas fueled vehicles as alternatives:
http://beta.fool.com/kmet312/2012/03/07/natural-gas-pickups-picking-steam/2642/?source=TheMotleyFool

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...oised-to-profit-from-natural-gas-vehicle.aspx

Japan is rapidly becoming a big buyer of natural gas for energy production, because they have decided to shut down ALL (!!) of their nuclear plants:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203824904577215030758114096.html?mod=rss_markets_main

There's also potential for arbitrage as natural gas prices in Europe and China are substantially higher than in the US making it interesting for US producers to ship their oversupplies to these regions.

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Ok, what to make of all of this:
1. These prices are unsustainable. No commodity trades below it's cost of production forever, especially if it can't be recycled. If the 2012/13 winter were to be cold, the current oversupply could shrink rapidly.
2. Are prices going to skyrocket soon? I don't know. Maybe they'll plummet even further, but this won't be sustainable in the long run. Natural Gas is incredibly volatile. One thing is for sure: Prices won't stay where the are. So if you want to trade it in the short run use options for a volatility trade which I described here: http://www.pmbug.com/forum/f3/how-trade-silver-volatility-using-options-343/
3. Oil is overpriced in relation to natural gas (see chart above). This opens up the opportunity for a long nat gas/short oil trade.
4. As you can see from the chart above, there are still a few companies who are making profits at the price levels: http://images.angelpub.com/2009/14/1931/nelder-eac-2-4-1-09.jpg
I haven't researched them yet individually, but they could offer tremendous leverage to rising prices as they enter profitability way earlier then the big producers like Chesapeake Energy.
 
swissaustrian, again you come up with a timely and interesting thread. Thanks for this contribution!

I too think there is real opportunity w/ natural gas. I KNOW that we here in the USA could pick up some low-hanging fruit re running some of our fleets on natgas.

They do it is PERU fer chrissakes... And Peru is poor. Much of the Lima small-car taxi fleet vehicles run on Peruvian natgas (I am NOT sure if it is processed somehow, probably). One of our employees HAS a car that runs on natgas. It took about two - three years to get enough gas stations in the city to meet the demand (there were LONG LINES during that transition), but they are all set now. I am told that it is more economical to use natgas as a fuel, as it is so cheap there as well.

Here in America, we could take some steps that would not require HUGE capital investments. We could mandate all city (of over a million people, say) vehicles to run on natgas. Or all trucks on the Interstate Highways as well. All taxis. Probably more "low-hanging fruit" as well.

OK... How to play it as investments, well, I would be looking at the low cost producers as per your chart, because who knows how long the prices will stay down. I do not "do" rank speculation any more (having lost money, not THAT much though) in options, etc. I just never could do it successfully, so I stay out of that casino.

But, the HIGH COST producers will benefit MORE (as a multiple of the new vs. old profits) if the prices go up a lot. So maybe just buy them all (that would also lessen "company risk", eg, Enron) or at least, say, small positions in 3 - 5 of them.

just my $.02!
 
So shale gas / fracking seems to be a major development for nat gas availability.

A couple of years ago we were being told that most of these plays were having their potential overstated and that they were depleting quickly, necessitating continuous drilling and fracking, so high recovery costs and short life.

And then there were all those boats and terminals being constructed to move nat gas around the world ......

Just where is this commodity headed ?
Is it a short term solution or is there really 100 years supply available ?
 
The company I'd consider buying is Southwestern Energy Co (SWN.N):
- They have the lowest cost structure in the US (about $ 2/Mcf for finding & development & lifting)
- one the lowest debts (30% of capital) in the industry.
- They don't pay a dividend.
- These strengths are reflected in their p/e, however. It's at about 26 if you count on NG at the current prices (assuming an average price of $2.50 for 2012). Every 25 cents in higher average prices push earnings per share up by 10 cents (acceleration the further they're away from their break even).
They're the 8th largest producer in the US.
http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=SWN.N
Here's an investor presentation:
http://www.swn.com/investors/LIP/latestinvestorpresentation.pdf

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Short comparison to Chesapeake Energy (CHK), the largest solely NG focused producer (Chevron is no1) in the US:
- CHK's debt to capital is about 60% (double of SWN)
- They pay a small dividend (1.43% yield)
- Cost is about $ 4/Mcf (for finding & development & lifting) compared to $ 2 for SWN.
- They're making profits only due to hedging activities without disclosing how they hedge. Looks fishy to me. (SWN is disclosing how they hedge, mainly with swaps at $ 5 for 50 % of their production)
- They seem to be more crony and lobbying oriented, including a visit to the company by Obama under the "clean energy" label.
- All of this is reflected in the much lower p/e which is at about 17 assuming NG at $ 2.5 for 2012.

Conclusion:
I'll buy some SWN on a dip, because I'm expecting NG prices to reach it's long term average at $ 5 in the medium term (2+ years). At these prices SWN's p/e is about 14 (excluding increases in production and potentially lower production costs).

Seems to be a good long term play on the sector.
 
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Holy cow, NG is down another 12% today. technically it's close to oversold now. I'm gonna update you guys when I'm buying the dip and SWN stocks:

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I don't think the bull case is as strong for nat gas as something like silver or gold. That being said, we are most likely at an extreme. I'll be waiting for a good entry for a trade.
 
Here's a chart about the arbitrage opportunity for US exporters which shows that overseas prices for NG are substantially higher than in the US:
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The stuff is kind of expensive to ship overseas - there's a shortage of LNG boats to do it. The arbitrage opportunity might therefore be an illusion. I think I heard that the reason there's so much oversupply just now is that there were a lot of drill leases that were use it or lose it - so they got going in advance of demand. We'll have to see how it plays out I suppose. They can of course just store it in the ground till demand is there.
 
The stuff is kind of expensive to ship overseas - there's a shortage of LNG boats to do it. The arbitrage opportunity might therefore be an illusion. I think I heard that the reason there's so much oversupply just now is that there were a lot of drill leases that were use it or lose it - so they got going in advance of demand. We'll have to see how it plays out I suppose. They can of course just store it in the ground till demand is there.

Yes, there has been overinvestment in drilling. The US has still been a net importer of NG in 10-2011 however:
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As far as I can see the massive inventories are also beeing caused by:
a. the very mild winter: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...0-offers-no-solace-to-natural-gas-market.html
b. Shrinking industrial demand (about 1/3 of demand) due to the weak economic activity.

As far as shipping is concerned:
The shortage of LNG tankers in combination with the arbitrage opportunity has caused LNG shipping fees to double/tripple in just 1-2 years.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...hips-sees-frozen-gas-beating-oil-freight.html
LNG shipping is now the most profitable sector of the whole shipping industry: http://oilprice.com/Energy/Natural-...trys-Most-Profitable-Sector-LNG-Shipping.html
This tells me that one can make a profit from shipping LNG overseas, because otherwise foreigners wouldn't pay these high fees and US companies wouldn't sell.
The very high profitability should also cause investment in new tankers and shipping terminals. Some estimates say tanker demand might double until 2020: http://emergingmoney.com/strategy-2...and-is-lifeline-for-tanker-fleet-uso-sea-ung/

One thing is for sure imho: prices won't stay below production cost forever.
 
No, prices never do stay below costs for long - probably not even long enough to build boats - those take awhile. It would be nice to see more uptake of NG, or maybe a process to "refine" it into heavier molecules, like propane, that are a lot easier to handle and transport. People in the US are getting pretty sick of pipeline projects, especially for short lived resources...I could tell stories on how I manage to get one stopped in its tracks here. It was going to be a very bad deal for us, and not actually that great for the gas guys either.
 
Wow, NG is up 8 cents on the FED's economic outlook. Such a joke.
EDIT: no it's 11 cents.
 
Hi guys,

As for converting the fleets to run on gas, instead of gasoline - it is very popular in poorer countries (people seems to be much more entrepreneurial, if the necessity dictates it). In Poland for example, the order of the day couple of years ago was LPG conversions (Liquid Petroleum Gas), which is easier to handle (doesn't require as much pressure or cryo, to liquify and been kept as liquid). So the vehicle tanks are much smaller and cheaper as well (quite popular are toroidal ones, that fit into the spare tire compartments). I think that NG is called CNG on our side of the pond, and it also has been tried on bigger vehicles (trucks, city buses - even in my hometown Gdynia there are experimental buses running on CNG)

But the thing is, the difference in price at the pump, is mainly the difference in the govt levies being paid on these different fuels! I do not know how it is in US, but I remember when polish govt sniffed the money (after well over a million vehicles were converted to run bi-fuel - gasoline and LPG - simple and relatively cheap conversion, could be literally done in any chop shop), they started gradually increasing duty on it, so right now it is not such a no-brainer anymore - depending how big is your yearly mileage, and how many years you plan to use the vehicle.

I've been reading a financial report recently, that was also praising NG in US as the next big thing.

Another trade idea - if there is oversupply in the US, and the stuff needs to be shipped around - invest in the shipping companies. Least Exxon-Valdes type of events, they seem to be in very strong position - there is a shortage of tankers, and new ones are not exactly coming online every month.
 
Another article claiming the shale gas isn't as INexpensive as many might think, supporting my findings that NG is trading below production cost. If these findings are true, we might see a wave of bankruptcies amoung US NG companies:

Insiders Sound an Alarm Amid a Natural Gas Rush
Natural gas companies have been placing enormous bets on the wells they are drilling, saying they will deliver big profits and provide a vast new source of energy for the United States.
But the gas may not be as easy and cheap to extract from shale formations deep underground as the companies are saying, according to hundreds of industry e-mails and internal documents and an analysis of data from thousands of wells.
In the e-mails, energy executives, industry lawyers, state geologists and market analysts voice skepticism about lofty forecasts and question whether companies are intentionally, and even illegally, overstating the productivity of their wells and the size of their reserves. Many of these e-mails also suggest a view that is in stark contrast to more bullish public comments made by the industry, in much the same way that insiders have raised doubts about previous financial bubbles. :doodoo:
“Money is pouring in” from investors even though shale gas is “inherently unprofitable,” an analyst from PNC Wealth Management, an investment company, wrote to a contractor in a February e-mail. “Reminds you of dot-coms.”
“The word in the world of independents is that the shale plays are just giant Ponzi schemes and the economics just do not work,” an analyst from IHS Drilling Data, an energy research company, wrote in an e-mail on Aug. 28, 2009.
Company data for more than 10,000 wells in three major shale gas formations raise further questions about the industry’s prospects. There is undoubtedly a vast amount of gas in the formations. The question remains how affordably it can be extracted.
The data show that while there are some very active wells, they are often surrounded by vast zones of less-productive wells that in some cases cost more to drill and operate than the gas they produce is worth. Also, the amount of gas produced by many of the successful wells is falling much faster than initially predicted by energy companies, making it more difficult for them to turn a profit over the long run.
If the industry does not live up to expectations, the impact will be felt widely. Federal and state lawmakers are considering drastically increasing subsidies for the natural gas business in the hope that it will provide low-cost energy for decades to come.
But if natural gas ultimately proves more expensive to extract from the ground than has been predicted, landowners, investors and lenders could see their investments falter, while consumers will pay a price in higher electricity and home heating bills.
There are implications for the environment, too. The technology used to get gas flowing out of the ground — called hydraulic fracturing, or hydrofracking — can require over a million gallons of water per well, and some of that water must be disposed of because it becomes contaminated by the process. If shale gas wells fade faster than expected, energy companies will have to drill more wells or hydrofrack them more often, resulting in more toxic waste.
The e-mails were obtained through open-records requests or provided to The New York Times by industry consultants and analysts who say they believe that the public perception of shale gas does not match reality; names and identifying information were redacted to protect these people, who were not authorized to communicate publicly. In the e-mails, some people within the industry voice grave concerns.
“And now these corporate giants are having an Enron moment,” a retired geologist from a major oil and gas company wrote in a February e-mail about other companies invested in shale gas. “They want to bend light to hide the truth.”
Others within the industry remain optimistic. They argue that shale gas economics will improve as the price of gas rises, technology evolves and demand for gas grows with help from increased federal subsidies being considered by Congress. “Shale gas supply is only going to increase,” Steven C. Dixon, executive vice president of Chesapeake Energy, said at an energy industry conference in April in response to skepticism about well performance.
Studying the Data
“I think we have a big problem.”

Deborah Rogers, a member of the advisory committee of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, recalled saying that in a May 2010 conversation with a senior economist at the Reserve, Mine K. Yucel. “We need to take a close look at this right away,” she added.
A former stockbroker with Merrill Lynch, Ms. Rogers said she started studying well data from shale companies in October 2009 after attending a speech by the chief executive of Chesapeake, Aubrey K. McClendon. The math was not adding up, Ms. Rogers said. Her research showed that wells were petering out faster than expected.
“These wells are depleting so quickly that the operators are in an expensive game of ‘catch-up,’ ” Ms. Rogers wrote in an e-mail on Nov. 17, 2009, to a petroleum geologist in Houston, who wrote back that he agreed.
“This could have profound consequences for our local economy,” she explained in the e-mail.
Fort Worth residents were already reeling from the sudden reversal of fortune for the natural gas industry.
In early 2008, energy companies were scrambling in Fort Worth to get residents to lease their land for drilling as they searched for so-called monster wells. Billboards along the highways stoked the boom-time excitement: “If you don’t have a gas lease, get one!” Oil and gas companies were in a fierce bidding war for drilling rights, offering people bonuses as high as $27,500 per acre for signing leases.
The actor Tommy Lee Jones signed on as a pitchman for Chesapeake, one of the largest shale gas companies. “The extremely long-term benefits include new jobs and capital investment and royalties and revenues that pay for public roads, schools and parks,” he said in one television advertisement about drilling in the Barnett shale in and around Fort Worth.
To investors, shale companies had a more sophisticated pitch. With better technology, they had refined a “manufacturing model,” they said, that would allow them to drop a well virtually anywhere in certain parts of a shale formation and expect long-lasting returns.
For Wall Street, this was the holy grail: a low-risk and high-profit proposition. But by late 2008, the recession took hold and the price of natural gas plunged by nearly two-thirds, throwing the drilling companies’ business model into a tailspin.
In Texas, the advertisements featuring Mr. Jones disappeared. Energy companies rescinded high-priced lease offers to thousands of residents, which prompted class-action lawsuits. Royalty checks dwindled. Tax receipts fell.
The impact of the downturn was immediate for many.
“Ruinous, that’s how I’d describe it,” said the Rev. Kyev Tatum, president of the Fort Worth chapter of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
Mr. Tatum explained that dozens of black churches in Fort Worth signed leases on the promise of big money. Instead, some churches were told that their land may no longer be tax exempt even though they had yet to make any royalties on the wells, he said.
That boom-and-bust volatility had raised eyebrows among people like Ms. Rogers, as well as energy analysts and geologists, who started looking closely at the data on wells’ performance.
In May 2010, the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas called a meeting to discuss the matter after prodding from Ms. Rogers. One speaker was Kenneth B. Medlock III, an energy expert at Rice University, who described a promising future for the shale gas industry in the United States. When he was done, Ms. Rogers peppered him with questions.
Might growing environmental concerns raise the cost of doing business? If wells were dying off faster than predicted, how many new wells would need to be drilled to meet projections?
Mr. Medlock conceded that production in the Barnett shale formation — or “play,” in industry jargon — was indeed flat and would probably soon decline.
“Activity will shift toward other plays because the returns there are higher,” he predicted. Ms. Rogers turned to the other commissioners to see if they shared her skepticism, but she said she saw only blank stares.
Bubbling Doubts
Some doubts about the industry are being raised by people who work inside energy companies, too.
“Our engineers here project these wells out to 20-30 years of production and in my mind that has yet to be proven as viable,” wrote a geologist at Chesapeake in a March 17 e-mail to a federal energy analyst. “In fact I’m quite skeptical of it myself when you see the % decline in the first year of production.”
“In these shale gas plays no well is really economic right now,” the geologist said in a previous e-mail to the same official on March 16. “They are all losing a little money or only making a little bit of money.”
Around the same time the geologist sent the e-mail, Mr. McClendon, Chesapeake’s chief executive, told investors, “It’s time to get bullish on natural gas.”
In September 2009, a geologist from ConocoPhillips, one of the largest producers of natural gas in the Barnett shale, warned in an e-mail to a colleague that shale gas might end up as “the world’s largest uneconomic field.” About six months later, the company’s chief executive, James J. Mulva, described natural gas as “nature’s gift,” adding that “rather than being expensive, shale gas is often the low-cost source.” Asked about the e-mail, John C. Roper, a spokesman for ConocoPhillips, said he absolutely believed that shale gas is economically viable.
A big attraction for investors is the increasing size of the gas reserves that some companies are reporting. Reserves — in effect, the amount of gas that a company says it can feasibly access from its wells — are important because they are a central measure of an oil and gas company’s value.
Forecasting these reserves is a tricky science. Early predictions are sometimes lowered because of drops in gas prices, as happened in 2008. Intentionally overbooking reserves, however, is illegal because it misleads investors. Industry e-mails, mostly from 2009 and later, include language from oil and gas executives questioning whether other energy companies are doing just that.
The e-mails do not explicitly accuse any companies of breaking the law. But the number of e-mails, the seniority of the people writing them, the variety of positions they hold and the language they use — including comparisons to Ponzi schemes and attempts to “con” Wall Street — suggest that questions about the shale gas industry exist in many corners.
“Do you think that there may be something suspicious going with the public companies in regard to booking shale reserves?” a senior official from Ivy Energy, an investment firm specializing in the energy sector, wrote in a 2009 e-mail.
A former Enron executive wrote in 2009 while working at an energy company: “I wonder when they will start telling people these wells are just not what they thought they were going to be?” He added that the behavior of shale gas companies reminded him of what he saw when he worked at Enron. :doodoo:
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Production data, provided by companies to state regulators and reviewed by The Times, show that many wells are not performing as the industry expected. In three major shale formations — the Barnett in Texas, the Haynesville in East Texas and Louisiana and the Fayetteville, across Arkansas — less than 20 percent of the area heralded by companies as productive is emerging as likely to be profitable under current market conditions, according to the data and industry analysts.
Richard K. Stoneburner, president and chief operating officer of Petrohawk Energy, said that looking at entire shale formations was misleading because some companies drilled only in the best areas or had lower costs. “Outside those areas, you can drill a lot of wells that will never live up to expectations,” he added.
Although energy companies routinely project that shale gas wells will produce gas at a reasonable rate for anywhere from 20 to 65 years, these companies have been making such predictions based on limited data and a certain amount of guesswork, since shale drilling is a relatively new practice.
Most gas companies claim that production will drop sharply after the first few years but then level off, allowing most wells to produce gas for decades.
Gas production data reviewed by The Times suggest that many wells in shale gas fields do not level off the way many companies predict but instead decline steadily.
“This kind of data is making it harder and harder to deny that the shale gas revolution is being oversold,” said Art Berman, a Houston-based geologist who worked for two decades at Amoco and has been one of the most vocal skeptics of shale gas economics.
The Barnett shale, which has the longest production history, provides the most reliable case study for predicting future shale gas potential. The data suggest that if the wells’ production continues to decline in the current manner, many will become financially unviable within 10 to 15 years.
A review of more than 9,000 wells, using data from 2003 to 2009, shows that — based on widely used industry assumptions about the market price of gas and the cost of drilling and operating a well — less than 10 percent of the wells had recouped their estimated costs by the time they were seven years old.
Terry Engelder, a professor of geosciences at Pennsylvania State University, said the debate over long-term well performance was far from resolved. The Haynesville shale has not lived up to early expectations, he said, but industry projections have become more accurate and some wells in the Marcellus shale, which stretches from Virginia to New York, are outperforming expectations.
A Sense of Confidence
Many people within the industry remain confident.
“I wouldn’t worry about these shale companies,” said T. Boone Pickens, the oil and gas industry executive, adding that he believes that if prices rise, shale gas companies will make good money.
Mr. Pickens said that technological improvements — including hydrofracking wells more than once — are already making production more cost-effective, which is why some major companies like ExxonMobil have recently bought into shale gas.
Shale companies are also adjusting their strategies to make money by focusing on shale wells that produce lucrative liquids, like propane and butane, in addition to natural gas.
Asked about the e-mails from the Chesapeake geologist casting doubt on company projections, a Chesapeake spokesman, Jim Gipson, said the company was fully confident that a majority of wells would be productive for 30 years or more.
David Pendery, a spokesman for IHS, added that though shale gas prospects had previously been debated by many analysts, in more recent years costs had fallen and technology had improved.
Still, in private exchanges, many industry insiders are skeptical, even cynical, about the industry’s pronouncements. “All about making money,” an official from Schlumberger, an oil and gas services company, wrote in a July 2010 e-mail to a former federal regulator about drilling a well in Europe, where some United States shale companies are hunting for better market opportunities.
“Looks like crap,” the Schlumberger official wrote about the well’s performance, according to the regulator, “but operator will flip it based on ‘potential’ and make some money on it.”
“Always a greater sucker,” the e-mail concluded.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/us/26gas.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

The leaked emails can be found here: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/us/natural-gas-drilling-down-documents-4-intro.html?ref=us
 
I'm thinking nat gas is a good long play right now if it is selling for below production costs. Eventually, producers will do what they have to do to slow production to increase demand and prices, so a bunch of cheap long contracts might be the best play.
 
Rick Santelli (CNBC) yesterday was doing his reporting from Houston at some place where they were converting an F-150 to running on NatGas.

Bushi is right about NatGas being popular in poorer countries. LOTS of cars in Peru run on it, including the car of our Sales Manager.

They could do it here... Just need to man-up and build the infrastructure. Will they?
 
Actually, the infrastructure is already there, it's just a lot more sparse than the ubiquitous gas station on every corner. You can get propane in a lot of places, just not where you would normally go.
 
After falling for months, NG has finally turned arround somewhat - against a very bearish sentiment in commodity markets overall.
Chesapeake - the biggest US producer - has been subject to all kinds of scandals in the meantime. Even the big oil producers like Chevron have been suffering from the low NG prices.

Anyway, NG is already 15% higher from the time when I started this thread 10 weeks ago :D It had dropped another 15% first, however :flail: Chart is as of yesterday, NG surged another 2.5% today. It's now short term overbought.

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Propane is != natgas, which is methane and not easily liquified (takes lots more pressure), which is why you don't see natgas used in transport so much. It takes a much heavier tank to hold the pressure for less net energy than propane (you cannot make it a liquid at room temperature at all). It takes energy to convert methane to propane, and there's hydrogen left over if you do.
Propane is CH3-CH2-CH3, and methane is CH4. There's not a lot of market for expensive hydrogen out there at present.

I believe the reason for cheap natgas has been use it or lose it leasing policies, so wells had to be drilled or lose the lease, and getting some back is better than nothing - they're betting it will go up to cover costs at some point or they will stop selling it and force that to happen. Interesting economic dislocation - caused by gov as usual.
 
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Hi,
New to this board. I'm a trader.

I dipped in myself a couple weeks ago after reading that the big producers are no longer hedging and John Arnold retiring.

RSI says oversold now but i'll be accumulating more contracts on dips.

Charles Nenner has a buy recommendation on NG as long as no close below 2.44 if any of you follow his cycle work..

One point i haven't heard discussed anywhere is the possibility that record storage capacity utilization could actually be a positive for prices..

Natgas companies sitting on record amounts of their product, paying for storage have incentive to get these prices higher, shutting in rigs (more every week).. The fact that they've stopped hedging says alot. These aren't rash decisions by amateurs but rooms full of experienced energy analysts putting 2 and 2 together..

Get these prices higher by killing production off and cash in..

Vermont banned fracking this week. Vermont produces almost no natgas but symbolic..
 
Welcome abord JJSF. Good to have your take on things.

Do you see an embryonic nat gas equiv of OPEC developing ?

Reckon fracking is like GM crops, ie too profitable to ban, so at best will get a few new regs and some serious PR ..............
 
It's early voting time right now here in Texas and every single candidate for Railroad Commissioner (unfortunately titled position that actually oversees/regulates energy industries in Texas) is a proponent of fracking.
 
Now that got my attention JJSF.

If the majors are rushing to get export terminals built ( cant see why an import terminal should be much different though ) then there really is a surplus of hydro carbons in the US.
What sort of time scale would one of these terminals be planned for in terms of life expectancy ?

What impact does this have on peak oil thinking ?

In the US ?
And everywhere else ?
 
Now that got my attention JJSF.

If the majors are rushing to get export terminals built ( cant see why an import terminal should be much different though ) then there really is a surplus of hydro carbons in the US.
What sort of time scale would one of these terminals be planned for in terms of life expectancy ?

What impact does this have on peak oil thinking ?

In the US ?
And everywhere else ?

I'm not sure it's so much an oversupply of hydrocarbons in general but rather NG..
 
NG briefly traded over $ 3 on friday when profit taking and technical selling kicked in. Still, the uptrend which started on May 23rd is very clear. Short term there could be a few more downdays, but longterm the chart looks bullish:

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Ok, after buying NG at $2.33 on March 12th (see op of this thread), I'm now selling at $3.77 today.

+61% in 7 1/2 months is not so bad :D

Chart is as of yesterday:
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nice one, SA, congrats :clap:

...now, if one of good old boys traders around, could correct me in my thinking - I am trying to learn something with regards to technical analysis, based on these two last charts you have provided, SA:

-it seems to me, that if the 50 days MA is below 200 days MA, it means that stock is technically oversold, and might be ready for move upwards - am I right?
-even more so, if the spot price starts to move (and stay) above 50days MA
-also, the direction in which 200 MA is moving would be an indicator of long term trends, especially around the moments where it starts to slow down the move and starts to "bend" in the opposite direction.


(very curious about my thinking, if it is correct or not - my thinking is, that 200 days MA could be treated like a "baseline" price, with all the possible volatility averaged out, and 50 days MA would then be the indicator of below/above the "average" price)


...of course, understanding that production costs are higher than the current market price for gas definitely helps in picking technical bottom ;)
 
...now, if one of good old boys traders around, could correct me in my thinking - I am trying to learn something with regards to technical analysis, based on these two last charts you have provided, SA:

-it seems to me, that if the 50 days MA is below 200 days MA, it means that stock is technically oversold, and might be ready for move upwards - am I right?
It tends to be so, but the best indicators for "oversoldness" are the RSI (upper part of the chart) and the MACD (lower part)

More about RSI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_strength_index
on MACD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MACD

-even more so, if the spot price starts to move (and stay) above 50days MA
-also, the direction in which 200 MA is moving would be an indicator of long term trends, especially around the moments where it starts to slow down the move and starts to "bend" in the opposite direction.
Yes, the direction of the 200dma is a pretty good long term indicator.

(very curious about my thinking, if it is correct or not - my thinking is, that 200 days MA could be treated like a "baseline" price, with all the possible volatility averaged out, and 50 days MA would then be the indicator of below/above the "average" price)

...of course, understanding that production costs are higher than the current market price for gas definitely helps in picking technical bottom ;)
Yes, I missed the bottom by about 15% or so. I got a little worse after my investment. NG briefly dropped below $2 in late April :cheers:
 
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