Negative lease rates for gold (and silver)

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http://truthingold.blogspot.com/2011/12/upon-further-review.html


More: http://harveyorgan.blogspot.com/2011/12/negative-lease-rates-continuegold-and.html

Do I get a cookie now?

 
Interesting bit of tin foil hat speculation:
More: http://www.bullionbullscanada.com/i...-new-gold&catid=48:gold-commentary&Itemid=131

Jeff Nielson speculates the gold was stolen from Greece and Libya.
 
Ok, one thing is clear: somebody is willing to pay someone else for lending his gold.
It´s either central banks or it´s the general public.
The central bank story is beeing analyzed here in detail:
http://www.metalaugmentor.com/analysis/charlatan-exposed-negative-gold-lease-rates.html
The general public scheme could be this: The LBMA offers unsegregated gold accounts where customers can buy gold on quite a big bid/ask spread. The bullion banks can do whatever they want with the gold in these accounts. Here is what they could do:
We all know they make money on the spread. But they can also lease the gold held in these accounts into the market where it is beeing sold immediately and purchased back through a forward contract. As the spread on the accounts give them gold at a discount to spot, they can use this price difference reduce it somewhat and offer gold at negative lease rates to other market participants.
Gold lease rates calculate like this: Libor MINUS gold forward rate. I.E. if the gold forward rate is higher than the libor, a gold carry trade doesn´t make sense, because your return on the libor investment is lower than the cost of carry. This changes, however, if you´re able to pass your cost onto another counterparty. In this case, the third person is f.cked. It could be unsegregated LBMA gold accounts.
This is described here in detail:
http://www.pollitt.com/upfile/pdf/Oct_2011_Wrap.pdf
 
I would like to borrow gold at negative interest rates. And I bet my credit score is higher then France. Where can I apply for credit?
 
I didn't understand everything in that article - I will need to read it again later when I can do so without distractions, but it looked interesting and thought provoking and touched on several issues that have been highlighted here in the forum.
 
There is a significant correlation between 1 year EUR basis swap rates http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/EUBS1:IND/chart (as an indicator for money market conditions) and gold lease rates. The thesis that this negative lease rates phenomenon is caused by a dollar shortage could be on to something.
Money markets are in post-lehman mode. Translating this to gold would mean that gold forward rates could turn negative soon, meaning gold going into backwardation due to the reverse transaction of the leases which will take all the artificial supply off the market. That would be ultra bullish. All the gold that has been dumped into the market would suddenly dissapear. It would also mean that lease rates would skyrocket, because lease rates = Libor minus GOFO. If GOFO < 0 and Libor > 0 then lease rates > libor > 0. That happened in 2008:

GOFO rates are already falling:
http://www.lbma.org.uk/pages/index.cfm?page_id=55&title=gold_forwards&show=2011

So are lease rates:
 
I think it´s a great article.
In addition to the points already made in this thread, I think the following issues are important:
- The fact that supply and demand don´t seem to influence CRIMEX prices could indicate an imminent disconnect between paper and physical prices.
- This information would soon spread arround the globe and trigger a huge wave a actual physical deliveries out of the CRIMEX warehouses. Due to the fractional reserve structure of the CRIMEX, the exchange could default.
- The weird CRIMEX warehouse data is very suspicious. I have no idea how they´re accounting.
- The only explanation of these illogical warehouse data with regards to all the gold leasing activity would be that these transactions are done over the counter (otc), i.e. not using the CRIMEX and therefore not affecting the warehouse data.
 
Rickards on KWN sees the same things we see:
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldn...ards_-_The_US_Treasury_Shorts_the_Dollar.html

Same thing we were discussing re: the dollar gaining strength and deflation.
 
Mish relates several news reports on Euro banks indicating severe stress and follows up with:
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/12/france-in-recession-italy-in-recession.html
 
New article on zerohedge supporting the USD shortage thesis:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/gold-rebounds-over-1600-some-thoughts-why-liquidation-snapback-here
Watch this video to understand why we could be up to a massive lease covering rally, including gold futures going into backwardation:
 
Lease rates are now higher than they were before the recent gold correction

Silver rates haven´t changed a lot:
 
Gold lease rates are on the rise again today.

For a long term perspective: One can easily see the chaos in the heavily manpulated gold market of the 1990s here. On the surface (spot price) it looked calm all the way. But look at the lease rates:
 
6 and 12 month rates for both gold and silver are crashing again.
Short term rates for silver are going UP
 
Interesting. Possible indications of a physical shortage?
 
Interesting. Possible indications of a physical shortage?
The short term silver rates - yes, possibly.
The negative long term rates probably indicate that money markets are once again in trouble. Somebody is paying someone else for leasing his gold in exchange for short term dollar liquidity again.

EDIT: moneymarkets in Europe are indeed in trouble. See here the 1 year EUR basis swap:
 
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c2b92910-40fe-11e1-b521-00144feab49a.html
 
So much for the "conspiracy theory" that central banks are deliberately suppressing gold.
Great find, pmbug
 
By the way, this means that we will see either some kind of lease covering by commercial banks (they have sold the least gold into the market) or the indefinite extension of the lease agreements (i.e. central banks effectively "selling" their gold).
 
Seems like somebody has been leasing some gold into the market yesterday ahead of the FOMC announcement and friday's options expiry. Be careful!
 
1625 is where I think we should expect it to hit. They are definitely trying to take out some stops.
 
Check out the lease rates charts today:





Short term is all negative.
 
Johnny Bankster doesn't want JQ Public to ever find out the true price of gold. They will lease it until it's all gone.
 
Silver lease rates don't look well. I think it's up for a correction:


Gold looks much better.
 
Lease rates aren't plunging today (in fact, they're rising a tiny bit) which indicates that the current selloff is probably:
a) short lived
b) not driven by increasing physical supply due to leasing.
 
Interesting developments in silver lease rates: they're indicating the the long end of the futures curve (i.e. also the longer dated forward prices) is moving towards deeper backwardation:


This move is only happening in silver. gold rates are staying basicly flat.
 

Care to elaborate?
 
Care to elaborate?
Backwardation means that the future price of a commodity is below the spot price. You basicly pay a premium for instant delivery. This indicates a phyiscal shortage and is very bullish.
As of yesterday, the silver futures curve looks like this:
 
Backwardation means that the future price of a commodity is below the spot price. You basicly pay a premium for instant delivery. This indicates a phyiscal shortage and is very bullish.
As of yesterday, the silver futures curve looks like this:

I understand what backwardation is.. I had a post about it in January.

I was wanting you to elaborate on "moving towards deeper backwardation:" part. Contextually, where are we vs January?
 
Interesting developments in silver lease rates: they're indicating the the long end of the futures curve (i.e. also the longer dated forward prices) is moving towards deeper backwardation: ...

I think what Derek is asking (and I'd like to understand as well) is ... how are they indicating it? What are you seeing specifically in the lease rates that suggest the correlation with futures backwardation?
 
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