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Goldie -- I have never met CJ -- He was "Just Passing Through" 20-odd years ago. And for at least half that time, having read perhaps 15,000 of his posts (TINS) I have been at him to seriously write. Why? Because what I recognise as an author is his unpolished talent.
So, at the moment, I am both pleased and appalled.
VERY pleased he is going to start.
Appalled because he plans to write/publish "raw". <-- C.S. Forester hisself couldn't do that. It is a sure way NOT to give your work a snowball's chance to be seen, remembered, discussed.
A practical point to the above -- Please take note, CJ -- this is important:
You write a chapter, and you are three chapters later in writing, and you remember an anecdote that would triple the interest in that previous chapter. Or you made a grievous, dumb-ass mistake in that previous chapter. Or you regret the fargin dead-end that chapter sticks you with. Or a hundred things yer Unca has already fargin experienced!!
If it is already out there when you discover it -- warped, crooked, "oh shit" flat wrong, potentially poisonous, somehow awful to the bone... you cannot touch it -- even if it costs you every reader you ever had. The Internet is forever. Got that?
Jack Kerouac did that. (Unedited stuff) Other than nutcases, does anyone know what he wrote?
The guy whose novel I am now editing (as he writes/adds gems/re-rewrites it) humbles me. And when he first started a few years ago, I saw his talent with words. We worked together, and his first novel was great.
This will be his second, and it is ten times better than his really good first.
That's where I want CJ -- Not out panhandling day to day.
The Confessions of a Confessed Writer...Goldie -- I have never met CJ -- He was "Just Passing Through" 20-odd years ago. And for at least half that time, having read perhaps 15,000 of his posts (TINS) I have been at him to seriously write. Why? Because what I recognise as an author is his unpolished talent.
So, at the moment, I am both pleased and appalled.
VERY pleased he is going to start.
Appalled because he plans to write/publish "raw". <-- C.S. Forester hisself couldn't do that. It is a sure way NOT to give your work a snowball's chance to be seen, remembered, discussed.
A practical point to the above -- Please take note, CJ -- this is important:
You write a chapter, and you are three chapters later in writing, and you remember an anecdote that would triple the interest in that previous chapter. Or you made a grievous, dumb-ass mistake in that previous chapter. Or you regret the fargin dead-end that chapter sticks you with. Or a hundred things yer Unca has already fargin experienced!!
If it is already out there when you discover it -- warped, crooked, "oh shit" flat wrong, potentially poisonous, somehow awful to the bone... you cannot touch it -- even if it costs you every reader you ever had. The Internet is forever. Got that?
Jack Kerouac did that. (Unedited stuff) Other than nutcases, does anyone know what he wrote?
The guy whose novel I am now editing (as he writes/adds gems/re-rewrites it) humbles me. And when he first started a few years ago, I saw his talent with words. We worked together, and his first novel was great.
This will be his second, and it is ten times better than his really good first.
That's where I want CJ -- Not out panhandling day to day.
Maybe Bug will consolidate it all here? That's what I used to d....To continue an off-topic sidebar from the Tulsi thread:
AMZN screens for non-Wokeness.The Confessions of a Confessed Writer...
Maybe Bug will consolidate it all here? That's what I used to d....
I hear AMZN will print and publish you for a nominal fee...
Don't know the specifics.Yeah that is a very real possibility, but don't they also publish books as in you write it, send in the script and they print the books and send them to you for a fee, or is that a 3rd party...?
Then hollyweird is never gonna make a move outta it.This is not going to be the kind of sanitized pro-sodomy Woke story the Left so demands.
No.Then hollyweird is never gonna make a move outta it.
There's still time to add vampires.It's what I have to offer.
IMO You're the only thing standing in your way.To continue an off-topic sidebar from the Tulsi thread:
All good points. But here's what's kept me from putting serious effort into this First Stab:
It's unsaleable.
Ergo, it's the PERFECT Writing Lab.
In the past, would-be writers might, as they get to my age, crank out their Trunk Novel. Never intending it be read, or published. Do it because they're driven.
But I read, long ago, the history of 50 Shades of Grey...not that that's the kind of novel I'm intending; but it started out as a series of free web postings. Not sure of the veracity, or even of my memory of it - I came across it in passing, and it's not worth researching.
Stephen King...drunken hack that he is, he had his youthful brilliances. He got started writing filler for girly books...not Playboy, but the real swill, that should have been titled Naked Girls Who Look Like Drug Users. Thirty years later, the publishers he sold those stories to, long gone...he pulled many of those stories out, published them in anthologies, and rewrote a few into full-length novels. Shawshank Redemption was one such.
Not saying I'm right, or you're wrong, or declining your services, Walt. In fact, we may be talking further on this. But it's a long way before I have a large, long selection to publish, or post, or edit or hang out.
They published some hardcover books I have written, and there are a jillion "e-book only" serial novels out there, so that kinda covers the gamut.Yeah that is a very real possibility, but don't they also publish books as in you write it, send in the script and they print the books and send them to you for a fee, or is that a 3rd party...?
You are looking at the wrong end of the fargin horse, bro.Don't know the specifics.
But I do know, that I write what I know. What I know is a gritty world, where men do manly things, where women are often treacherous, where crime exists in the Organized cities that the Woke Peeps have pronounced Utopias.
Where my killer-protagonist is half-Mexican, leaving Texas partly because he wanted to flee that racial baggage. Where he steals a car in a complex scheme, to give himself personal mobility. His genetics, those of a drunken father, lead him the same route.
The FBI man who discovers his later serial-killer pattern...is married to a woman who in her previous life was the town pump and whore. His own older sister, also loose, happened to be at the wrong place, the wrong time...a student at Akron University, at the time when (nearby) Kent State went down, her rebellion at her parents led her to get in with an SDS cell, get out of Kent as the authorities were locking it down after the shooting.
Her body is found in a pit toilet on the Indiana Toll Road, two months later.
Yeah, it's not very flattering for the wombyns, the "vibrants," small-town living, the Tex-Mex social pressures of the 1970s...the FBI, the institution of matrimony. Not of law enforcement in general. Not of happy endings - my FBI man may resolve things by going on a hike up Mt. Marcy, and throwing himself off. His wife is dead, his job is lost, his sister never avenged. Not sure how I'll have him wrap it up.
This is not going to be the kind of sanitized pro-sodomy Woke story the Left so demands.
But I'd still read it....Then hollyweird is never gonna make a move outta it.
Very good advice here!Step The Third (Optional, but strongly recommended): Get a literate ass to read/critique it.
Absolutely true. Recent conversation with my 79 year-old mother regarding this. I mentioned dirty hand prints around some light switches, a couple of cobwebs on a chandelier, some toast crumbs in the silverware drawer, and some small stains on a white table cloth. She said that she had not noticed until I pointed them out. When I visited again about a week later, she was proud to show me the improvements and asked me to point out other things she had not noticed. She really appreciated the honesty (she is very proud of her house and an excellent housekeeper.)It's akin to building a house... you've seen the walls so many times you are blind to imperfections, however a new pair of eyes 'see's things you missed, or ignored.
Let's take this one stagger at a time.You are looking at the wrong end of the fargin horse, bro.
EVERYBODY HERE LISSEN UP TO THE SEKRIT:
Step The First: You must write your story. <-- Can you believe that is what you do before you worry about book contracts, or movies being made?
Step The Second: YOU must read your story after you have written it. (There are gazillions of things you will change. Trust yer Unca)
Step The Third (Optional, but strongly recommended): Get a literate ass to read/critique it.
Lookit here as an example -- The Second Step line of the above as written was this:
Step The Second: YOU must read your story after you have read it. <-- When I re-read my post (writer's habit) I noticed I had typed "read" where I meant "written".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You WILL DO THIS -- or analogues of it -- as you write... in lots of ways. So edit yourself if you feel you must, but the fact is that a solid human trait is to be blind to one's own errors.
Very much like editing your own answers on a math quiz. Better than nothing... sometimes.
Yet you filled each day!Another day I got nuffin done...
They'd still had been there if visiting me. Run the vacuum once a month whether the rug needs it or not.Absolutely true. Recent conversation with my 79 year-old mother regarding this. I mentioned dirty hand prints around some light switches, a couple of cobwebs on a chandelier, some toast crumbs in the silverware drawer, and some small stains on a white table cloth. She said that she had not noticed until I pointed them out. When I visited again about a week later, she was proud to show me the improvements and asked me to point out other things she had not noticed. She really appreciated the honesty (she is very proud of her house and an excellent housekeeper.)
Fark, after 20 years as a carpainter (carpenter)I can't go anywhere without mentally running beads of caulk and spreading drywall mud. Visiting high end hotels are the worse. My eagle eye kicks in as I uncontrollably scan for imperfections.Absolutely true. Recent conversation with my 79 year-old mother regarding this. I mentioned dirty hand prints around some light switches, a couple of cobwebs on a chandelier, some toast crumbs in the silverware drawer, and some small stains on a white table cloth. She said that she had not noticed until I pointed them out. When I visited again about a week later, she was proud to show me the improvements and asked me to point out other things she had not noticed. She really appreciated the honesty (she is very proud of her house and an excellent housekeeper.)
He's a stub orne oneI absolutely LOVE how you guys have pounded the fargin message from a dozen different angles into Casey J.'s head:
Write. Then GET SUMBODY TO READ/CRITIQUE IT.
Goes for analogues of electrical wiring, construction, house maintenance, yada, and most ricky-tick: Writing.
Ooooo, be careful there, NM.Fark
Lol! It's my accent Mr Farp. I'll watch myself from here in out!Ooooo, be careful there, NM.
- Farp
On another note, I did write a novel. It took me 9 years to finish it, but finish it I did--even adding 3 short stories. I decided not to go through the publishing labyrinths and give it away free to friends in a pdf. I don't care about the money, as I've been blessed in other pursuits.
Don't sweat the money side... ALL the money is made by the publishers. Unless your political party buys whole skids of your books and dumps them in the landfill. (*ahem*)Ooooo, be careful there, NM.
- Farp
On another note, I did write a novel. It took me 9 years to finish it, but finish it I did--even adding 3 short stories. I decided not to go through the publishing labyrinths and give it away free to friends in a pdf. I don't care about the money, as I've been blessed in other pursuits.
Well now we know who we won't have renegotiating any of our contracts.remuneration total of $1.85 of that
(*snork*) <-- In the book writing world, they ain't gots no negotiations. They set the price of the book, and your cut. Aint even cheatin' fair, but there it is.Well now we know who we won't have renegotiating any of our contracts.
Wait Unca Walt, is that in 1780's dollars or sumfin?(*snork*) <-- In the book writing world, they ain't gots no negotiations. They set the price of the book, and your cut. Aint even cheatin' fair, but there it is.
Now if your name is such that you get advances... different game. The Writer's World is a lot like the Golfer's World:
A small tippy-top group gets paid to play, and the remaining 99% pay to play. <-- any hint of negotiations at the Tee-Time/Golf Pro Counter do not take place for mere mortals.
I'd be happy to send anyone and everyone a copy. I just need an email address. (Maybe PMBUG could get copies to folks who want one.)How about sending yer Unca a copy?
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