PLEASE HELP liberty dollar activist B. von NotHaus facing 22y in jail by WRITING his JUDGE

swissaustrian · Jan 24, 2012

Most of you probably know the liberty dollar story, but here is a brief summary (if you know it, continue reading below the line)

The Liberty Dollar (ALD) was a private currency produced in the United States. The currency was issued in minted metal rounds (i.e. coins), gold and silver certificates and electronic currency (eLD). ALD certificates are "warehouse receipts" for real gold and silver owned by the bearer, ALD certificate holders according to court documents are about 250,000 people.

The metal was warehoused at Sunshine Minting in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, prior to a November 2007 raid by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Secret Service. Until July 2009, the Liberty Dollar was distributed by Liberty Services (formerly known as NORFED), based in Evansville, Indiana. It was created by Bernard von NotHaus, the co-founder of the Royal Hawaiian Mint Company.[3] In May 2009, von NotHaus and others were charged with federal crimes in connection with the Liberty Dollar and, on July 31, 2009, von NotHaus announced that he had closed the Liberty Dollar operation, pending resolution of the criminal charges. On March 18, 2011, von NotHaus was found guilty on various counts, including the making of counterfeit coins

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar

It gets even worse, the FBI calls these actions of Mr von NotHaus domestic terrorism, this is a FBI press release:

“Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict. “While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country,” she added. “We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.”

h xx p://www.fbi.gov/charlotte/press-releases/2011/defendant-convicted-of-minting-his-own-currency

Ron Paul has shown sympathy for Mr von NotHaus:

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Here are the news: Yesterday BVNH was a guest on the Alex Jones show. I know AJ is a sensationalist and hard to listen to but that's not the point here.

Bernard von NotHaus told AJ that he is probably facing 22 years in jail for practicing civil disobedience. It's even questionable whether he really broke the law.
He is asking YOU to write letters to his judge in order to make him change his mind.

Here is the adress of the judge:
United States District Court
The Honorable Judge Richard Voorhees
704-350-7440
250 Charles R. Jonas Federal Bldg.
401 West Trade Street
Charlotte , NC 28202
http://www.ncwd.uscourts.gov/Chambers/Judges.aspx

Please friends of liberty, write letters to help this man, every letter counts!

you can also write emails to Bernard: bernard@libertydollar.org

Here is the video from the Alex Jones show from 1-23-12, the interview starts at 3:50

Part 2 of the interview, just ignore the ranting of AJ, Bernard starts talking at 6:00

pmbug · Jan 24, 2012

He should never have used the word dollar on the rounds.

I don't believe that writing letters to the judge is going to affect the outcome. $.02

swissaustrian · Jan 24, 2012

PMBug said:
He should never have used the word dollar on the rounds.

I don't believe that writing letters to the judge is going to affect the outcome. $.02

Maybe, but this proposed punishment is just insane. So is calling him a domestic terrorist.

pmbug · Jan 24, 2012

No argument there. If that rhetoric was just, the Bernank and Timmy should both be renditioned in Gitmo.

swissaustrian · Jan 24, 2012

PMBug said:
No argument there. If that rhetoric was just, the Bernank and Timmy should both be renditioned in Gitmo.

You really have to read the fbi press release that's just so over the top.
It's not listed on google by the way, took me 15 minutes to find it:

h xx p://www.fbi.gov/charlotte/press-releases/2011/defendant-convicted-of-minting-his-own-currency

PS: Do you know how to embed videos and pictures at the dailypaul? They're using a different code...

pmbug · Jan 24, 2012

swissaustrian said:
PS: Do you know how to embed videos and pictures at the dailypaul? They're using a different code...

To embed YouTube videos, you must post the URL that conforms to the required format:

Code:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVvq_j67khM

DailyPaul is posting a "youtu.be" formatted URL underneath videos. Just click that link and then copy/paste the address and remove the "&feature=youtu.be" part.

DSAbug · Jan 24, 2012

He knew the risks of going head to head.. This is why I don't advocate putting yourself out there and getting famous. You put a big target on your back. Just stack your coins and treat it as an investment.

swissaustrian · Feb 24, 2012

Even an organization from Germany (called the "German Precious Metals Society") has written a letter to the judge:
http://www.goldseitenblog.com/peter...ge_Voorhees_20120124 - B_v_NotHaus_Case b.pdf

This was posted by GATA today: http://gata.org/node/11022

ancona · Feb 24, 2012

BVNH was jousting at windmills in my opinion. There is no way to win if the FedGov wants to put you in jail. They can fabricate any evidence they want, they have unlimited resources and can hire the best lawyers. They can seize all of your assets and force you in to the position of having to use a public defender. Remember, we do not have a justice system, we have a legal system. BVNH put the word Dollar on his "medallions" which was a big mistake. He should have used trade units, credit units or whatever else besides "dollar". When he was warned the first time, he should have ceased using dollar and changed to something else. Instead, he was arrogant and thought he could win in a trial with the FedGov as Plaintiff.

He guessed wrong.

kingtigerfish · Feb 26, 2012

I don't think that BVNH was wrong for using dollars since the word dollar is older than the United States. William Shakespeare uses dollars in one of his plays. Also there are other private currencies that use the word dollars like disney dollars. Another example is the gun dollar sold by buds gun shop which is made of silver, uses the word dollars and the dollar sign. It also has the same obverse design as the liberty dollar.

pmbug · Oct 25, 2012

Interesting background/story on BVNH from the New York Times of all places:

http://gata.org/node/11867

swissaustrian · Oct 25, 2012

PMBug said:
Interesting background/story on BVNH from the New York Times of all places:

http://gata.org/node/11867

Guilt by association ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy#Guilt_by_association_as_an_ad_hominem_fallacy ), always great:

To introduce the Liberty Dollar in 1998, Mr. von NotHaus moved from Hawaii to Evansville, Ind., where he joined forces with Jim Thomas, who for several years had been publishing a magazine called Media Bypass, whose pages were filled with conspiracy theories and interviews with militia members, even Timothy McVeigh.

benjamen · Oct 25, 2012

PMBug said:
Interesting background/story on BVNH from the New York Times of all places:

http://gata.org/node/11867

"Now jump ahead to 2004. A detective in Asheville, N.C., learned one day that a client of a credit union had to tried to pass a "fake coin" at one its local branches. An investigation determined that some business acquaintances of Mr. von NotHaus were, court papers say, allied with the sovereign citizens' movement, an anti-government group."

Since the metal value of these coins is greater than the denomination, why in the world would someone try to spend them like they were regular currency? Something smells funny with that story.

pmbug · Oct 25, 2012

Does "business acquaintances" mean anyone who bought one of his coins?

I'm sure there are some restaurants, hotels, bars and local businesses in Washington DC that have a plethora of unsavory "business acquaintances".

benjamen · Oct 25, 2012

PMBug said:
Does "business acquaintances" mean anyone who bought one of his coins?

I'm sure there are some restaurants, hotels, bars and local businesses in Washington DC that have a plethora of unsavory "business acquaintances".

Yeah, I hear they are called "politicians".

:rotflmbo:

pmbug · Mar 26, 2013

Through his lawyer, Noell P. Tin of Charlotte, North Carolina, Liberty Dollar founder Bernard von NotHaus, convicted of counterfeiting two years ago in federal court in North Carolina but still not sentenced, has filed a motion for acquittal or retrial. ...

More: http://gata.org/node/12389

pmbug · Dec 3, 2014

...
We have it only through a reliable intermediary that Liberty Dollar founder Bernard von Not Haus, convicted rather strangely almost four years ago of counterfeiting for issuing silver coins worth more than the originals they were supposed to be imitating, received a lenient sentence today from Judge Richard Voorhees in U.S. District Court for the Western District of North Carolina -- six months of home confinement and three years of probation.

It's said that the judge observed that von Not Haus' motivation with the Liberty Dollar was philosophical rather than criminal. It's also said that the judge ordered the federal government to return to its owners the millions of dollars of metal held by Liberty Dollar for its clients.
...

http://gata.org/node/14812

swissaustrian · Dec 4, 2014

Sounds better than expected. It was unrealistic that he would be left completely without punishment.

ancona · Dec 4, 2014

At least the judge had the wisdom to return the inventory and not completely step on his dick with a heavy prison time.

rblong2us · Dec 4, 2014

Retire that judge immediately and find one who understands how damaging precious metal conspiracies really are

philosophical rather than criminal ffftt:

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