Silver ? Heres what I dont understand

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I was visiting family this past weekend. One person stacks mostly large stuff. 10 oz gold coins and 10 kilo silver coins. I didn't even know 10 kilo silver coins were a thing. They are impressive. Makes my stack look small in comparison. He says when he buys the big stuff it actually feels like he is getting something for his money versus the puny 1 oz coins. He has a bunch of small stuff too but lately only buys the big stuff and numismatics. I dont display my stuff either but if I had a stack like those big coins I think I would dedicate a room to display them. They are beautiful.

I haven't bought anything during this run up. Some Libertads were the last thing I bought and that was from a bank in MX when I was there last in 2018. They are one of my favorite coins. I did sell most of them a few years ago though. Only ones I kept was a roll of 20 from 83.

I'll probably start buying again when silver gets back to the mid 30's. If it goes lower then I can DCA on the way down. If it doesn't get back that low then I am ok with what I have.

It was exciting to see Ag break above 50 but I looks like the traders took it high just to get retail to buy in thinking the 50 dollar level was history and create as much FOMO as possible. They will do the same on the way down. Just when you think it cant go any lower they will drop the price lower right before we take off higher again. Thats the Wall Street playbook with everything.
 
Over the decades, it does seem that they have many times played the game, "Scare the crap out of the retail investors."
 
Thats a nice looking coin. Tho to big for my safe.

Yaknow I'm not in this strictly for the money, tho thats my main aim. Since I'll be dead before I cash anything in I do like to have a little fun with it. I have maybe 10 Libertads with 5 from interesting low mint years. The same with MSD's with about 5 capsuled including my MS65 two 1885 CC. Its from a trove but gave a working guy the chance to buy such a low mintage, high mint MSD from CC.

Originally when I started this I entered wanting to collect EVERY Libertad, every 1oz year. Then I saw the cost vs the return and realized I'd be leaving my family crap when I died even if I could swing it. And if I could swing it I'd have to nix all the gold, silver bullion I could be leaving them. But such is my fascination with the Libertad that I actually considered it and researched it. In my opinion its the most beautiful silver coin ever made and I'll say this for the Mexicans, they can really throw a coin at you.

What I did do is collect a good assortment of the worlds silver coins. The one I wont buy is the Panda because I despise those CCP commie sonsofbitches.
 
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being new to it, i am not sure how many highs n lows you have been thru but after years you learn not to panic or get to euphoric on these changes....fundamentally in my mind it is all about how can i safely save and store wealth without counterparty risk and debasing risk without having to "play" the stock market ...... i am very lucky to have a average cost in AG around ~10 a oz and buying a few hundred oz at 50 isnt going to change that .....also after a while and some volume it becomes more about storage and oz not the coins themselves ........ the main thing for me was i developed a fundamental understanding that dollars only have value as trade units not as value storage units precious metals are one storage unit i use along with things like tools...land...food.............sometimes it helps to look at pms in the same way you look at stored food once you have the food it really doesnt matter if the supermarket prices fluxuate you still have food units that are useable ......

it is very smart to buy the most desirable type of silver storage unit you can for your $ as long as you understand that the intrinsic value is in the metal and not the artwork on it

i know i am preaching to the choir .....just got to typing n didnt stop LOL
 
Yes sound wisdom and advice. The fact I know all this doesn't mean I dont appreciate you saying it. My one weakness is I find silver such a beautiful metal but yes I do temper it with reality. In essence its there to preserve wealth, even my few artistic shekels I keep on my mantle, even they are there to preserve wealth.

Yesterday I visited a Local coin shop whose owner knows how I roll. He pulled out a 10 oz Kookaburra round, which I dare anyone to find anywhere. A 2016 in perfect condition that never left its capsule. Along with it 8 pristine 2021 Krugerrand's. Both items at a very good price with no wait or shipping cost so theres 18 oz added with a smile. This morning I see silver is back up to the mid-40's. I didn't see as low a floor as others did as economic/industrial conditions just dont support a $40 floor.

I believe anyway. And next will be the rocket to the moon. Anyhoo as they are lowering me to the ground, or spreading my ashes, my kid will be dreaming of the corvette he always wanted and since I'll be dead then who cares ? Pity about the $USD I always loved and slaved for most of my life but its the way Empires go, always have, always will. They over-spend and inflate. Over print and over mint until it just can't be sustained.

It wasn't the Germans who destroyed Rome ; It was the silver denarius losing value until it became ass wipe due over minting and reckless spending and along with it the sestertius and asses. The only coin that mattered was the gold aureus but they had to try and hold on to that, or watch it being hoarded, and while gold remained gold there wasn't enough to save the lunatic spending by the Loonie Emperors and Rome eventually crumbled under the economic weight of its own making.

Name an Empire and I'll show you the same. The Greeks and their drachmas the same thing. Egypt ? Same , same. Spain, Britain...ect they all followed the same crumbling model. The enemy from within. And now we have America and the world it will drag down with it because its the most powerful world power ever. Economically most of all. It amazes me that nobody learns this lesson. These forever war's are killing us.

Spain fell due to the "price revolution". Even with all its stolen wealth it couldn't survive the mismanagement of it economy. It grew fat, lazy, and dependent on others for everything since it refused to invest in its own Industry. It spent fortunes on foreign wars, as bad an investment as you could think of. Like Rome did The government’s inability to efficiently manage its resources eventually weakened its military capacity and left it exposed to foreign competition and internal instability. England much the same, tho the English found cute ways to get around it they still had to defend an Empire that spanned 1/4 the world. The East India Company was one such way as was the largely unchecked slave trade, both transatlantic and sub continental. But even that dried up because slaves reproduce on their own while stealing them for sale became less lucrative so since it didn't really cost them anything they found God and freed the slaves in what little was left of their American colonies.

But the newly freed slaves still had to give two years of servitude before going back to work at slave wages on the sugar plantations while the Crown had to reimburse the slave owners for the value of the slaves. A move that further weakened the economy, caused inflation from over-printing, and helped cost them the remnants of their North American colonies.

Anyway you see my point. Were going down the same spiral and like you the only protection I see for the individual is the hoarding of precious metal.
 

Every fiat currency in history eventually crashes. People in the US have this mindset that it will never happen here. They are going to get with their pants around their ankles when it happens.
 
This morning I see silver is back up to the mid-40's. I didn't see as low a floor as others did as economic/industrial conditions just dont support a $40 floor.
We get bumps up even as prices go lower. Doesn't mean much overall IMO. I would love for the pullback to be over and for us to head higher from here. It is possible. The overbought conditions are gone so a slow steady grind up here would be nice and then, for once, this time really would be different. Both metals will need to get back above their 20 day moving averages though. that would be 4080 and 49.50. If they get above there and hold then I would say the downside risk is over.

I don't see where economic or industrial conditions have much say in prices. It's trader on Wall Street that control the prices and those traders use the same techniques in everything.
I have looked at purchasing power, inflation, debt, everything I can think of to try and find some way to value the metals. Cant be done. Supply and demand? Forget about it. Demand worldwide is as high as it's ever been yet prices are backing off.
in 1980 when gold and silver both hit all time highs the debt was less and a billion. It's gone up 37 times since then but gold and silver have not. Same with inflation. No correlation with metals prices.
Price of gas? Housing? food? cars? Nope. No correlation. For example, if we used housing then gold would be at 1600 and silver at 80. Thats based on 1900 housing prices of 250 ounces of gold and 5000 ounces of silver. Unfortunately that's just the way it is. I wish that wasn't the case. In the long run, prices will be higher. Long run is measured in decades for the metals.
If anyone has a better way of figuring out what the value of the metals should be I am all ears.
 
Perth Mint used to do 1/2 kilo coins, 16.075 ounces think. They then discontinued them and APMEX sold them off inexpensive. Nice little hockey pucks...
 
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