Warrantless backdoor searches (FISA Section 702)

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Another take on the SCOTUS (non-)decision:
... With "state secrets privilege" barring litigation, that leaves upcoming congressional debates over renewal of the law authorizing the program as the only recourse for civil liberties advocates.
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I would say right around the time the three towers fell.
How do you think it got this way?

Edited to add:...and by "this way", I mean, where the gov is known to violate the Constitution and then say that it cannot be challenged on it. When did that start?
 
How do you think it got this way?
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It's right there in the article I linked in my last post:
 
It started before that.

When do you think it started then?



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When do you think it started then?
It started in 1933 when the gov declared an emergency and added American citizens to the list of enemies to be regulated by the Trading With the enemies Act of Oct 6th 1917, and then began operating extra-constitutionally.

Ever since then, the gov has continually expanded its extra-constitutional actions, right up to today where those who run the gov think that gov can do whatever it wants and the majority of people just accept it, Constitutional limits on power be damned. Many today even see limits on gov power as harmful.

Why do most just accept it? Because they do not know any better and have never been taught about it. All they've ever known is a gov that operates outside of its limits on power.

Every monetary and financial issue we (as a nation) have had over the past 90 years has that act in '33 as its root.
 
We were talking about different "it"s then. You didn't clarify what you were referring to, so I thought you were talking about the invocation of "national security" - the specific phrase.
 
POTUS announced a National Cybersecurity Strategy that says (bold emphasis is mine):



What does that mean in practice?
 

 


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We were talking about different "it"s then. You didn't clarify what you were referring to, so I thought you were talking about the invocation of "national security" - the specific phrase.
What I was referring to is the fact that everything in this thread is about unConstitutional Acts of our government.

The "warrantless backdoor searches" referenced in the title are clear violations of the Constitution that the gov does not want aired in a regular Article 3 Court.

It's no different than the Drug Enforcement Act that was weaseled into existence, and that they continue to prevent from being adjudicated as to its Constitutionality.
Ie: because they know it is unConstitutional and don't want their good deal gettin' screwed up by pesky Constitutional issues.

The patriot act and everything else they did as a result of 9/11, is unConstitutional.
.....but the game plan has been to keep it going as long as possible in order to allow it to come to be seen as the normal way of gov conducting its business. They want us to forget that it is at the the expense of some of our Constitutionally guarenteed Rights.
.....and that's the same as what happened in '33. Ie: it was the first time that the People permanently lost some of their Rights that had been previously guarrenteed to each one of us by our Constitution.
Edited to add: the warrantless searches and other 4th Amendment violations are johnny-come-lately's in that regard.
 
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Internal Documents Show How Little the FBI Did to Correct Misuse of Section 702 Databases​

BY MATTHEW GUARIGLIA
APRIL 25, 2023

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has released internal documents used to guide agency personnel on how to search the massive databases of information collected under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, including communications collected without a warrant under Section 702. Despite reassurances from the intelligence community about its “culture of compliance,” these documents depict almost no substantial consideration of privacy or civil liberties. They also suggest that in the years before these guidelines were written, even amidst widespread FBI misuse of the databases to search for Americans’ communications, there were even fewer written guidelines governing their use. Above all, FBI agents can still search for and read Americans’ private communications collected under Section 702, all without a warrant or judicial oversight.

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^^^^ However, they were not nearly as skeptical as we are of the necessity of domestic law enforcement’s use of these powers–especially when the information collected under 702 could be obtained by law enforcement with a warrant through more traditional avenues.


That's because doing it the right way, the Constitutional way, takes longer and requires more effort on their part.
....and involves someone(s) who might say "no".
 
^^^^ “Fixing FISA: How a Law Designed to Protect Americans Has Been Weaponized Against Them,”

It's called mission creep. Anything new the gov gives itself power to do, always ends up morphing into something used against the People.

There's too many examples to even list.

The biggest is war powers. Everything else pales in comparrison.
 

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^^^ "Further, according to the report, the FBI continues to flout a very narrow requirement that it obtain a court order prior to conducting certain queries, a requirement with which the FBI has never complied."


That's because the fbi has become an anti-America organization.

If they weren't, they would willingly seek to comply with the law.
 

 
They've (fbi) have been doing it for so long, that they don't want to do their job without taking the short cuts that fisa courts allow.

Which is why they (fisa courts and patriot act) shouldn't been created in the first place. They are an abomination to the Constitution.

The answer to 9/11 wasn't to create new ways for the gov to do things unConstitutionally. (un-patriot act) What should have been done was to kick the foreigners out and only allow in a number of them the fed.gov has the ability to keep up with. The only reason those guys could do what they did, was because they let in huge numbers of people, to the point that many of them fell through the cracks.
 

Federal Judge Makes History in Holding That Border Searches of Cell Phones Require a Warrant​

MAY 30, 2023

With United States v. Smith (S.D.N.Y. May 11, 2023), a district court judge in New York made history by being the first court to rule that a warrant is required for a cell phone search at the border, “absent exigent circumstances” (although other district courts have wanted to do so).

EFF is thrilled about this decision, given that we have been advocating for a warrant for border searches of electronic devices in the courts and Congress for nearly a decade. If the case is appealed to the Second Circuit, we urge the appellate court to affirm this landmark decision.

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The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court Has Made a Mockery of the Constitutional Right to Privacy​

JUNE 1, 2023

The latest evidence that Section 702 of the Foreign Surveillance Intelligence Act (FISA) must be ended or drastically reformed came last month in the form of a newly unsealed order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) detailing massive violations of Americans’ privacy by the FBI.

The FISC order is replete with problems. It describes the government’s repeated, widespread violations—over a seven-year period—of procedures for searching its databases of internet communications involving Americans, all without a warrant. These searches included especially sensitive people and groups, including donors to a political campaign. And it shows the FISC giving the FBI all-but-endless do-overs, each time proclaiming that the executive branch has made “promising” steps toward compliance with procedures that are largely left up to government attorneys to design.

Perhaps most shocking, however, is the court’s analysis of how the Fourth Amendment should apply to the FBI’s “backdoor searches” of Americans’ communications. These searches occur when the FBI queries Section 702 data that was ostensibly collected for foreign intelligence purposes without a warrant but includes a person on U.S. soil in the communication.

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From the link:

ANALYSIS US Senators have told intelligence agency officials that they are unlikely to renew authorization to use Section 702 of the US Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) without setting stricter limits on how and when government snoops can wield its powers.

A key point of contention between the lawmakers and intelligence agencies is that the surveillance powers conferred by the Act – which are supposed to be used against foreign targets who pose a threat to the United States – are also used to allow warrantless snooping on US citizens' communications.

During a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on Tuesday, representatives from the CIA, NSA, FBI and Justice Department repeatedly told lawmakers that Section 702 is a critical national security tool.

 
Sounds good. Let's see the talk put into action.
 
Sounds good. Let's see the talk put into action.
Odds are that anything done about it will end up being so watered down as to be virtually meaningless. Too many of those in dc support the use of such unConstitutional powers.

They see Constitutional limitations on their power as a hinderance, and something to be creatively overcome.
...and a truly astounding number of the People do too. We're fortunate that any semblance of what the Founders intended has even latest this long.

It's a fact that if all powers that should have been ruled as being unConstitutional (when measured against the original intent of the DOI and Constitution) were removed from the govs playbook, 95% of the people who work for the government would have nothing to do.
 

Deja Vu: The FBI Proves Again it Can’t be Trusted with Section 702​

JULY 27, 2023

We all deserve privacy in our communications, and part of that is trusting that the government will only access them within the limits of the law. But at this point, it’s crystal clear that the FBI doesn’t believe that either our rights nor the limitations that Congress has placed upon the bureau matter when it comes to the vast amount of information about us collected under FISA Section 702.

The latest exhibit in this is in yet another newly declassified opinion of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC). This opinion further reiterates what we already know, that the Federal Bureau of Investigation simply cannot be trusted with conducting foreign intelligence queries on American persons. Regardless of the rules, or consistent FISC disapprovals, the FBI continues to act in a way that shows no regard for privacy and civil liberties.

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They proved that 7 years ago when they willfully lied to the fisc to illegally go after Trump for fabricated allegations of him "colluding" with Putin. Half the nation ate it up and cheered on thei fbi's witch hunt using the same process you are now pointing out as being wrong.
 
This one is a bit different.

How the Government Weaponizes Surveillance to Silence Its Critics​

Ever since Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his groundbreaking “I Have a Dream” speech during the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom on Aug. 28, 1963, the Deep State has been hard at work turning King’s dream into a living nightmare.

The end result of the government’s efforts over the past 60 years is a country where nothing ever really changes, and everyone lives in fear.

Race wars are still being stoked by both the Right and the Left; the military-industrial complex is still waging profit-driven wars at taxpayer expense; the oligarchy is still calling the shots in the seats of government power; and the government is still weaponizing surveillance in order to muzzle anti-government sentiment, harass activists, and terrorize Americans into compliance.

This last point is particularly disturbing.

Starting in the 1950s, the government relied on COINTELPRO, its domestic intelligence program, to neutralize domestic political dissidents. Those targeted by the FBI under COINTELPRO for its intimidation, surveillance and smear campaigns included: Martin Luther King Jr., Malcom X, the Black Panther Party, John Lennon, Billie Holiday, Emma Goldman, Aretha Franklin, Charlie Chaplin, Ernest Hemingway, Felix Frankfurter, and hundreds more.

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EPIC is supporting the new bill:

 
Nov 7

A bipartisan group of lawmakers rolled out legislation Tuesday that includes a warrant requirement for certain information collected under a foreign surveillance authority, as it remains unclear how Speaker Mike Johnson will handle the controversial program’s end-of-year expiration date.

The legislation is the first major proposal unveiled for reauthorization of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which allows the U.S. government to collect the digital communications of foreigners who are located outside the country.

But the law also allows U.S. authorities to search through the foreign surveillance data for information on Americans, without a warrant, using information such as an email address.

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I HAVE NEVER WANTED TO BE MORE WRONG about a FOREVER WARS edition.

Later this year, the NSA and FBI's legal wellspring for mass digital surveillance, Section 702, will expire if Congress does nothing for eight more weeks. Saving it is the U.S. intelligence community's highest legislative priority. Christine Abizaid, director of the National Counterterrorism Center, recently invoked the Oct. 7 Hamas massacres to urge Congress to "preserve [counterterrorism] fundamentals"—i.e., 702—"to ensure constant vigilance." Now, everyone who has been a sane voice in the fight to preserve privacy since 9/11 sees that as a unique opportunity.

Earlier this week, an unlikely figure, Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), introduced a measure that would save Section 702. That surprised me. Both times 702 has come up for reauthorization, in 2012 and 2018, Wyden voted against it. He voted no on the bill to create Section 702 in the first place. (So, by the way, did Joe Biden.)

 
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