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Old 05-02-2013, 11:05 AM   #1
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Doodoo Margin debt and the NYSE

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Some times in history, investors feel so confident about the future of stocks, they actually use up all their available cash and then borrow money to invest in the stock market. Now is one of those times!!!

The chart below was created by Doug Short, see his outstanding work here.



Positive net worth takes place when.....Investors have little money borrowed and plenty of cash in their brokerage accounts. (2003 & 2009)

Negative net worth takes place when....Investors have large amounts of money borrowed (on margin) and little cash in there brokerage accounts. (2000, 2007, 2011 & now)

The above chart reflects that only one other time in history has negative net worth been this low, which was the tech bubble back in 2000. The prior two times that negative net worth were this low was 2007 (50% S&P 500 decline) and 2011 (17% S&P 500 decline).
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:18 PM   #2
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...powerful shit
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:39 PM   #3
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But....but....the stock market can only go up......right? Uncle Benny told us it was a self-licking ice cream cone and we can have as much as we want with no consequences.
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:08 PM   #4
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It is different this time, because benny has promised to support the market and as he cannot stop the printing the 'bernanke put' is guaranteed ....

until the whole thing falls over

So if you do not get out in time, whats the problem with doing it on borrowed money anyway

Sadly, it kinda makes sense ......

Mortgage the house and buy metal ?
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Old 05-03-2013, 06:21 AM   #5
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...it truly IS kinda, sort of, a bit different this time - in that, CBs around the world are printing in overdrive, suppressing interest rates and all - and despite all the pretence of "slowing down QEs", it is simply bullshit speak. So I think, it might go on a little bit longer than previously - allowing investors to leverage more than previously. I don't think for a fraction of a second, that it can go on forever, or even very much longer. I would be actually surprised if we finish 2013 without another major blow off in stock market - and all the resulting blowbacks. But I think it can go a bit further than before.

Here's a big trade-off: since there will be more leverage than before, when it bursts again - the burst will have more severe consequences than before. Simple logic, no "models" nor advanced math required.
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NYT is not towing the CNBC line:
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IT’S a ho-hum economy, at best. Four years after the end of the Great Recession, gross domestic product appears to be growing at a lackluster pace, labor productivity is lagging and, despite a slight improvement last month, the unemployment rate is still a painfully high 7.5 percent.

Yet in the financial markets, it’s a much happier world. An epic rally in stocks has been roaring ahead, with the Dow Jones industrial average on Friday briefly surpassing 15,000 for the first time.

Thanks to the intervention of the Federal Reserve, the bond market remains improbably strong, too. The benchmark 10-year Treasury rate fell as low as 1.612 percent last week, driving prices, which move in the opposite direction, to stratospheric levels. That helped Apple sell $17 billion of bonds at yields once reserved for the sovereign debt of only the safest governments.

In short, it’s been a giddy time to be an investor. But while the financial markets are soaring, the real economy appears to be mired in an endless slog. That discrepancy raises a troubling question: How long can financial portfolios continue to swell if wages, employment and corporate revenue remain constrained?
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:28 AM   #7
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Trader Dan echoing the same refrain:
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After watching the effects of the mediocre payrolls number yesterday (Friday) which culminated in a push over 1600 in the S&P 500 and a print in the Dow over 15,000, I thought it might be useful to note a few things about this most recent example of a hysteria.

I am on record here as stating that the entire stock market rally is nothing but a Federal Reserve induced bubble brought about by artificially low interest rates starving investors for yield elsewhere. The Fed, along with the Bank of Japan and the ECB I might add, are determined to corral investors and herd them, unthinking like cattle, into equities; the goal being to create an atmosphere of general euphoria towards the economy boosting consumer confidence in the hopes of inducing them to take on more debt and spend.
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In the middle of that month, we recorded what is the first of THREE DOWNSIDE REVERSAL PATTERNS. I have those noted in the ellipses. Do you see what I am seeing here? Note from that point forward, the upward momentum in this market continues to decline even as it has gone on to make one new high after another. This has occurred even though we have recorded an additional TWO more downside reversal patterns.

Just this past week on Wednesday, the market experienced a very strong reversal pattern on extremely high volume that was totally contradicted, yet again, in the next two days' worth of trading. Of course, the Friday rally blew right through the top of the reversal pattern. Yet, momentum did not register a new high for the move.

What I am describing here are classic textbook cases of negative divergence. These are all warning signals that the uptrend is losing momentum but so far it has not mattered one bit. When you have the equivalent of $160 billion of funny money being conjured into existence each and every month by the Fed and the BOJ, downside reversal patterns, normally one of the most reliable technical signals that exist, are invalidated time after time due to the "BUY the DIP" mentality that has been created in the herd compliments of the various Central Banks.
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... I keep coming back to the same point - who in their right mind would be chasing stocks higher and higher given the deteriorating internals of this market?

I am not sure how history is going to record this period but I suspect, after the bubble finally pops, (and who can say how high this thing will go before it does), commentators and pundits will all point to the warnings that were repeatedly ignored and will provide copious illustrations of quotations from various players of this day explaining to those of our time why stocks were a great buy, all the way up until the final moment that the bubble burst wide open.

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You know, with all the studying that Dr. Bernanke has purportedly done on the Great Depression, the thing that strikes me as odd is that even though trading on the margin had a great deal to do with the rapidity of the collapse, we have allowed the very same thing to happen. Margin clals broke the backs of hundreds of thousands of traders in '29, leading many to commit suicide, and many more to end up walking the streets in despair without two nickels to rub together. Flash forward 83 years and take a look around. Not only do we have a market sustained on the margin, it is done so with margined money that is levered out many times, and some of that is done with rehypothecated assets backing the original margin.

When this thing unwinds, it will be like the Tasmanian devil in those old Bugs Bunny cartoons, destroying everything in its path.
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Suicides are up already, and are already larger in number than auto fatalities...which are comparable to our losses in Vietnam - every year. See:
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With governments actively creating money, loaning it to banks at zero percent, and banks dumping it in the stock market, we soon will have a 100 percent borrowed money market. This cannot end well.
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At first this chart was persuasive, but I looked at it again and I'm not so sure. The drop shown in earnings is less than 1% which is a very small amount versus the scale of increased stock prices. 1% isn't much against the demand for yield being created by this artificially low (financial repression) interest rate world. It's the Japanese bond interest rate spike, and eventually ours (watch the 10 year over the next few weeks) that is going to make things really interesting.
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Originally Posted by Aubuy View Post:
At first this chart was persuasive, but I looked at it again and I'm not so sure. The drop shown in earnings is less than 1% which is a very small amount versus the scale of increased stock prices. 1% isn't much against the demand for yield being created by this artificially low (financial repression) interest rate world. It's the Japanese bond interest rate spike, and eventually ours (watch the 10 year over the next few weeks) that is going to make things really interesting.
The basic premise of stock markets are that the stock prices are supposed to be equal to the present value of future dividend payouts. In a market with essentially flat earnings and the lions share of the earnings going towards stock buybacks instead of dividends, stock prices shouldn't be increasing. However, just like in the metals market, the stock market is pricing in the expected inflationary effects of the federal reserve's actions. The hot money is flowing out of paper metal and into paper stocks.

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Old 05-21-2013, 11:35 AM   #14
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However, just like in the metals market, the stock market is pricing in the expected inflationary effects of the federal reserve's actions. The hot money is flowing out of paper metal and into paper stocks.

This should work perfectly as an investment strategy right up until it doesn't. We should call this the Powerball economy.
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