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Old 09-16-2013, 09:55 PM   #1
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Productive day at the Drs!

So- I went in- got in the same day.

My blood pressure been up- pain levels and panic attacks. I am on 3 more meds now- I am happy for that.

After a number of years on 2 bp meds we added a 3nd one - this one I take at day time.'

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Metoprolol is used alone or together with other medicines to treat high blood pressure (hypertension). High blood pressure adds to the workload of the heart and arteries. If it continues for a long time, the heart and arteries may not function properly. This can damage the blood vessels of the brain, heart, and kidneys, resulting in a stroke, heart failure, or kidney failure. High blood pressure may also increase the risk for heart attacks. These problems may be less likely to occur if blood pressure is controlled.

Metoprolol is also used to treat severe chest pain (angina) and lowers the risk of repeated heart attacks. It is given to people who have already had a heart attack. In addition, metoprolol is used to treat patients with heart failure.

This medicine is a beta-blocker. It works by affecting the response to nerve impulses in certain parts of the body, like the heart. As a result, the heart beats slower and decreases the blood pressure. When the blood pressure is lowered, the amount of blood and oxygen is increased to the heart.

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Switched the naproxin for pain to---

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and happy days for me- a 2nd pain pill for when I have flare ups...

Vicodin is perscribed for mild to severe pain often after a surgery, but sometimes for long-term use. Vicodin is produced by Knoll Labratories and comes in three varieties. Vicodin (5 mg hydrocodone, 500 mg acetaminophen)

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I am very happy. Most local drs will send people to a pain clinic- their job is to say no.

I brought in my 2 mris- documentation of shots, surgeries, and physical therapy. I told me dr- that on flare ups I spend 5 hours in an ER and end up with a shot. That I need a regiment to avoid that.

----------------------------For around a year- the panic attacks had been getting worse- I am at the highest recommended dose for the cosaar.



Being that I now will get rx from my dr- I do not have to order them online from out of the country. This will save some cash. For the vicodon very controlled- I will have to go and get a physical piece of paper each month.

I had the dr check my atrophy, my grip- I am very glad I dont have to jump thru hoops.

They are so quick to label someone a drug addict. I did not want to rock the boat- because I am already on 2 controlled meds- and did not want to ask for 3 and look bad.

I am looking forward to the new blood pressure regiment too.


Life is good!!
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Do you know what is causing you the chronic pain? You might have already mentioned it before, so sorry if I've forgot. Must be pretty bad if you need 3 pain killers to handle it.
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:56 AM   #3
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I had the worse headache you can imaging after the brain surgery. They gave me vicoden and several other painkillers, but one of the neurologists said, "it comes with the territory, it will go away in ninety days" and it did.

my sister registered me with an aneurysm support group when I awakened; here's what I wrote shortly thereafter:
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they put something in the vicoden that gives you a terrible stomach ache if you take too many
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:52 AM   #4
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Metroprolol is not nearly as effective as Propranolol for reducing blood pressure and I personally find it [Inderal] to be more tolerable to take on a regular basis. I have hypertension [imagine that!] and take 2X 120mg X day, split dose and it works fantastic. As a matter of fact, for many years now I have suffered with an irritating condition called Essential Tremor, which is an idiopathic tremor that can exhibit a simple mild tremor all the way up to uncontrollable shaking. Inderal turned it off like a switch. One minute I was shaking, five minutes later not at all, it was immediate. Never in my life have I ever had such a profound, immediate and positive reaction to any other medication as I had with Inderal. It changed my life.

As for the NSAIDS, watch out man....watch out. those things can be quite dangerous in their own right. In fact, they are more dangerous than the hydrocodone in that Vicodin you take. Diclofenac is a decent formulation under the brand name Voltaren, but prolonged use should be avoided. All NSAIDS are hard on the liver and kidneys, and the Tylenol in the hydrocodone medication is the same.

Also, I( remember you said something about Ultram [Tramadol]. If you have been taking relatively high doses of the stuff, don't suddenly stop, because you will "jones" pretty hard and you can suffer seizures, even with no history of them. Tramadol is taken up by one of the opiate receptors in the brain, which means it crosses the blood brain barrier. Anything capable of passing that barrier should be used with great caution.

I'm just saying, be careful dude.
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Old 09-17-2013, 11:14 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by PMBug View Post:
Do you know what is causing you the chronic pain? You might have already mentioned it before, so sorry if I've forgot. Must be pretty bad if you need 3 pain killers to handle it.

It makes 3 meds for blood pressure- not pain.

For pain is the ANSAID, and the Vicoprophen.


I have 4 herniated disks among the C T and L-- a bad shoulder carpal in both hands.

I am on a chemical soup of meds.
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Mark,

The Metopro is 25 mg. A low dosage. You may recall me mentioning taking xanax because I just wanted to sleep. Before this Dr visit- 6-7 am- I had 4mg of xanax- and my blood pressure was STILL high! The dr asked if there were stressors- I mentioned the loved one having major heart surgery, filing bankruptcy. and unsupervised neighborhood kids 20-30 at a time on the street here. On that high of a dose of xanax my bp should have been good. I asked the Dr to check me for atrophie, and the one ear for an ear infection I treated myself.

(I am on focolin,(ADHD) levo,(thyroid) proscar,(prostrate). Effexxor, trazadone (both for depression) I had been on ambien for sleep but we switched to xanax due to me sleep walking/eating. On the side for pain- I order tramodal online. Being that I get 2 controlled meds for the Dr; I did not want to ask for a 3rd. Pain pill patients are viewed as drug addicts here. When I have a flare up- I go to a chiropractor, or ER- I told the Dr- 5 hours in the ER then get a shot-- it is sort of a waste of resources. In an earlier post Mark mentioned he thinks my meds cancel each other out. I do NOT wish to be off of the ADD pills. I tried 5x to get off the depression pills- and it makes me suicidal. I simply can not connect thought when I am off those 2 meds. Locally- the Drs send pain patients to a pain clinic- their job there is to claim the patient is fine. I stated to my dr- that I had 3 years of physical therapy- and numerous shots. I also brought with me the report from my surgeon. It cites the 2 mris- and the injuries- it is around 10 years old. My Dr scanned this report for his file. For flare ups- now I can get the vicodin. I can ask for it via their online platform. I then have to drive and show a driver license for a paper rx. On the ADHD med- same deal- we did tho argue with the insurance company- I am allowed to ask for the focolin early- as this is allowed. However the vicodin- I will only be allowed to ask for it once a month- it says allow 48 hours- so I can ask for it every 28 days. My Dr is not making me jump thru more hoops with physical therapy or a pain clinic. So this is a HUGE win. Surely if I asked for it- he would grant it. I seen a sign at the office we can do evisits now too. (for some items) My Dr also ordered blood work to check my urinary status.

Coosar 100 mg, and terison 2mg for blood pressure at night. That has been the regiment for about 5 years. I can go no higher on the coosar. The terison could maybe be bumped up- the terison is meant to work in conjuction with the proscar. (prostrate med).

My shoulder gets so bad it feels like a sledge hammer is hitting it. So the ANSAID will come in handy for that. It is diclofenac sod ec 75 mg. It says 2 a day. Both this and the new bp pill says to eat with food. I notices a flexiril muscle relaxer is effective on the shoulder pain BUT- it makes the carpal nerve slip into a worse position. I was offered a choice on the ANSAID. He said a higher dose of naproxin could be wrote-I told him the diclo would be better because on the naproxin I could always take more then one.

The new bp med is a starter dose I gather. He did not require me to re-see him.

He knows I insist on participating in my treatment.

I am glad I went in. I am thinking obama care required visits- and the stress of a visit- makes it hard for me to enjoy that.

A few years ago- I experienced black outs- he encouraged me to confront my psychiatrist over the meds and treatment. Well- my psychiatrist blew up at me- as I did not have "permission" to reduce the SSRI effexxor med. He decided to punish me by cutting off all meds. Since I refused full dose- he punished me by stopping the ritalin/ADD/ADHD meds. So I fired him. My family Dr stepped up and covered these prescriptions while I wait for a referral. The wait is over 5 years now- I am still waiting for a referral- to a new psychiatrist- (the system referred me to the same dr I fired) What this means is my family Dr has been covering these rxs- I do not have to drive a 1/2 hour every 6 weeks, and see a shrink. So it all worked out.


Getting ample recharge- rest- -is best to have low pain levels. Of all the meds- I have the one neighbor hold the xanax so I dont take too much of it. With the new bp pill- I think my arms less above my head to relax- I should feel more rested.

With injuries- and yes men- there is always someone worse- I have to get some activity with out over doing it.

In the next few months- I may have to re-examine how the blood pressure treatment is going.

I am happy- tho I now can get the pain pills- this will save cash- it costs $50 for each online order for tramadol- I need about $300 to do a trip to Chicago.
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this is kinda off topic, but if you take the pink stuff in your coffee (sweet and low) then that cause a huge spike in BP. I didn't know this and have been using the stuff thirty years (ever since I quit drinking). Never mind that it kills rats. Anyway, started researching it, and the internet articles say "it's the first thing doctors ask you when you have high blood pressure". Well, no doc ever asked me and when I stopped putting it in my coffee my bp went down....
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:23 PM   #8
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I use real sugar in my coffee.

I turn 50 next week. High blood pressure runs in the family. It simply is part of getting older.

When I am upset- have panic attacks I am like a monster. I try to keep things low key.

My dads side of the family all work themself to death. Moms side has longevity and more laid back.
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I agree on the artificial sweetener thing. Real, unpasteurized honey is the way to go there. I use raw orange blossom honey and it's a great way to start your day. I never understood the reasoning behind pasteurizing honey, since it is the worlds most powerful natural antibiotic. Honey has been used for thousands of years to heal burns to the skin, skin infections, for stomach ailments, ulcers, sore throat and for general well being. It is a well known fact that not only will mold not grow on honey, bacteria cannot grow on/in it either. Honey is the perfect food, and is even used by many diabetics.
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Originally Posted by ancona View Post:
I agree on the artificial sweetener thing. Real, unpasteurized honey is the way to go there. I use raw orange blossom honey and it's a great way to start your day. I never understood the reasoning behind pasteurizing honey, since it is the worlds most powerful natural antibiotic. Honey has been used for thousands of years to heal burns to the skin, skin infections, for stomach ailments, ulcers, sore throat and for general well being. It is a well known fact that not only will mold not grow on honey, bacteria cannot grow on/in it either. Honey is the perfect food, and is even used by many diabetics.
we go through about a gallon of honey every six months. The kids love it. This is where we get it: (local)

http://www.fainshoney.com/

you have to be careful with honey. Most of what is labeled honey in the grocery store is HFCS. Also KFC.

Also it will keep for thousands of years. Good doomer prep.

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Uh..there are certain strains of weed which can not only help blood pressure but pain as well.

I would certainly recommend that over any big pharma.

Just my 2 cents.

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(it also is amazing for sex and appetite)
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Grass can alleviate a large number of ailments, not the leas of which is chronic pain, insomnia, anorexia nervosa and for some, panic attacks or stress induced mania.

Waaaaay back in the olden days, I smoked weed like it was going out of style. A lid of good Mexican Red was 20 dollars and ounce, which at that time was an unholy sum of cabbage. If you wanted it Sinsemilla [without seeds] it cost half again more. After a few years of being regularly stoned, we embarked upon a farming experiment. We had decent results, but it took so much time we eventually gave up.
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when my 29 year old graduated high school ten years ago, the city council said 60% of the kids smoked pot. I doubt its gone down since then. My kids don't know what a lid is.
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A lid is an ounce, half lid - half ounce. A QP is a quarter pound and a dime bag is a tenth of an ounce. A nickel bag is a twentieth of an ounce. Of course, with the exception of my trip to Amsterdam, I seldom partake in smoking weed or hash, but when I do, it's exclusively for medicinal reasons, since I have become such a lightweight that a single toke wipes me out. That makes it the perfect natural remedy for insomnia, which I suffer from during periods of high stress. Working as I do around extremely sensitive aerospace components and in high security facilities, I have to be incredibly careful.

I think that marijuana still being illegal is absurd. Originally, congress was lobbied to outlaw it because its close cousin, hemp, was eating in to the profits of cotton farmers so naturally, big business won that fight and it continues to be outlawed today.
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The results of my blood work are back. Everything is great. My chlostaral is very good. This is interesting. I avoided all this for about 4 years. That is about the time- the neighbor and I started having dinners.

He checked the kidney function.

All is fine. When I lived in Chicago- some kids were passing around a joint- the one gal is like- dont waste it- im like- it is just a joint. Later I found it- it was laced with crack cocaine. Those kids had a theft ring and they had tried to recruit me into it by lacing the pot. I was fuming mad. I put some distance there. After that I would not touch it for the longest time.

Now adays I will rarely run into a pain patient that has medical grade. I will touch that.

I have to tell you- I was spooked that those punks spiked the pot- and you know what- it did feel too good- it might have worked- that stuff is dangerous.

My old time buddy always told me- do not touch anything home made. He also said to look pills up in the PDR. A few times I caught a person throwing me fake pills- they did not like when I told them about it.

All of that is so expensive. With out insurance that vicodin would have cost me less then $6. On the street- that would sell for at least $300 in the local area. Who can afford that? On $300 I can pay some utilities-

Locals who sell pills use that cash to buy the injectable hard drugs. It seems to be a status symbol to OD lately.

This dr visit has freed up $50-$150. (you can order the less controlled pills online- it takes forever to get here tho) So figure I just found an extra $100 a month.

Tho the drs here- they all call eachother- they go to the same country club- there is no double dipping. Doing so would cut someone off.

Frankly I did not really want to get into the pot thing- medical grade is like $20 a joint now. I can get 3 days out of 1 good joint. But I really dont want to take a risk running with that crowd- they are younger- own no houses- have nothing to lose- I have a house and car to lose.

The prescription is maintenance and flare ups- not a set in stone regimens. I cant be like requesting more of it sooner then expected. Gosh- it would have been nice if this occured 2 years sooner. That would be $2400 in extra silver. Oh well. At least I am good to go now.

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A lid is an ounce, half lid - half ounce. A QP is a quarter pound and a dime bag is a tenth of an ounce. A nickel bag is a twentieth of an ounce. Of course, with the exception of my trip to Amsterdam, I seldom partake in smoking weed or hash, but when I do, it's exclusively for medicinal reasons, since I have become such a lightweight that a single toke wipes me out. That makes it the perfect natural remedy for insomnia, which I suffer from during periods of high stress. Working as I do around extremely sensitive aerospace components and in high security facilities, I have to be incredibly careful.

I think that marijuana still being illegal is absurd. Originally, congress was lobbied to outlaw it because its close cousin, hemp, was eating in to the profits of cotton farmers so naturally, big business won that fight and it continues to be outlawed today.
Ancona, I KNOW what a lid is . Thing is, when I smoked, dope was crappier than it is now. I understand they have super dope now.... I'm still amazed at all the different varieties of seeds available on the web....

edit: I used to roof for an old, old man who used to be a Texas ranger. He said they all smoked a little dope, it wasn't a big deal. He said now the rum runners, they would KILL you without thinking about it...

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Medical grade? That's just a term man.

Grow some weed in a flower pot, cut it and dry it when it buds but before it goes to seed and bingo. Please brother, it ain't rocket science, and there isn't anyone "looking for you".
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Aye..I took a hit about a year ago and it just floored me.

Certainly makes it last that much longer!

I have chronic back pains and some shoulder and arm strains from time to time.

I don't look to it immediately as much I as I try to stick to routines with my chiro and massage therapist.

In the uptmost pinch though I wouldn't shy away from it.

Too much media and the federal government to make it seem so wrong.

It is earthly and non addictive.

Yet our jails and prisons are more than 50% filled with non violent drug offenders.

Go figure.

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Medical grade? That's just a term man.

Grow some weed in a flower pot, cut it and dry it when it buds but before it goes to seed and bingo. Please brother, it ain't rocket science, and there isn't anyone "looking for you".
I would never ever, ever do anything even slightly illegal. It could be better then invasive weeds.

When I say medical grade- I mean it comes from a dispensary to (usually a cancer victim)

Dont forget they spray all type of things on the stuff.
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Big pharma will kill you faster than any weed brother.

That is a fact!

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