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I cannot make head or tails from the conflicting info. I do know at some point when prices are so far from the 50 day they will retrace temporarily.
 
FYI - The China SDIC fund is a derivative of the SHFE futures market. It doesn't actually have any relationship to the physical silver market (it does not maintain any physical silver vault stock). The issue with it is that the Chinese people have access restrictions to the physical market and the fund is on the receiving end of the pent up demand for silver price exposure.
 
FYI - The China SDIC fund is a derivative of the SHFE futures market. It doesn't actually have any relationship to the physical silver market (it does not maintain any physical silver vault stock). The issue with it is that the Chinese people have access restrictions to the physical market and the fund is on the receiving end of the pent up demand for silver price exposure.

How and why are they restricted from the physical market? We've seen them buy gold all over the place.
 
How and why are they restricted from the physical market? We've seen them buy gold all over the place.



Additionally, there may be restrictions/limits/caps on the bank run silver accumulate programs, but I need confirmation on that (I've asked some Chinese peeps that should know but have not received an answer)
 
Quessl3 said:
Anecdotally true in Singapore

Spent about 5 hours split between the 2 largest bullion retailers here

Sellers are smalls, tubes and small bars

Buyers are big bars and vaulting

Even split between numbers of customers but volumes are orders of magnitude different

Interestingly buyers here are most certainly neophytes in the space

These stereotypical rich property whale boomer who rode the property boom in Singapore the last 40 years are very different from the buyers at the top in 2011

I spent a fair amount of time in the shops the last go around and this is similar in foot traffic (implies the online sales are MUCH larger) but very different profile wise

YMMV



Quessl3 said:
t risk of painting with a broad brush and stereotyping….

These are late 50s to early seventies types which were former white collar professionals that did no investments other than buy property in sg

As a group you’ll find that they surprisingly financially illiterate regarding the underlying dynamics yet are extremely numerate

The majority of this group would be comfortably in the eight figures

$100k is a side bet



Quessl3 said:
It’s just the best spread option and for this class of Singaporean investor

Six figs is a side bet

They’ll chase with bigger numbers soon enough when they get onboard with the narrative

And this is going to blow up via word of mouth

Already seeing it, just a matter before it becomes a flood

What is interesting is MASSIVE/Aggie has a penchant for telling you what’s good for you, and thus far all they are saying is

“Don’t get scammed”

Rather than don’t chase

 
All signs point to the Silver heading straight towards Unobtainium. And governments appear to be figuring it out. Imposing capital controls and trying to lock down what they have, many starting in Jan.
 
yet another reason the EU will collapse



🇬🇧 BRITAIN’S REAL CRISIS: THE PEOPLE WHO BUILT IT ARE WALKING AWAY

While politicians remain obsessed with immigration headlines, nearly one million British citizens quietly left the UK between 2021 and 2024.

Young professionals, families, and entrepreneurs are leaving not out of ideology, but exhaustion, priced out of housing, overtaxed, and stripped of opportunity.

The most alarming detail is who is going: the 16-34 generation meant to sustain Britain’s economy, innovation, and public finances.

At the same time, capital is fleeing at record speed, with London rapidly losing its status as a global magnet for wealth and talent.

Punitive tax policies and political hostility toward success have turned the UK into one of the least attractive environments in the developed world.

Other countries are competing for talent and investment, while Britain lectures, regulates, and bleeds itself dry.

This is the real demographic crisis, as Britons leave in large numbers and non-European arrivals replace them, the country is heading toward a future where Britain is no longer British in any meaningful sense.

Source: Europa Press
 
yet another reason the EU will collapse



🇬🇧 BRITAIN’S REAL CRISIS: THE PEOPLE WHO BUILT IT ARE WALKING AWAY

While politicians remain obsessed with immigration headlines, nearly one million British citizens quietly left the UK between 2021 and 2024.

Young professionals, families, and entrepreneurs are leaving not out of ideology, but exhaustion, priced out of housing, overtaxed, and stripped of opportunity.

The most alarming detail is who is going: the 16-34 generation meant to sustain Britain’s economy, innovation, and public finances.

At the same time, capital is fleeing at record speed, with London rapidly losing its status as a global magnet for wealth and talent.

Punitive tax policies and political hostility toward success have turned the UK into one of the least attractive environments in the developed world.

Other countries are competing for talent and investment, while Britain lectures, regulates, and bleeds itself dry.

This is the real demographic crisis, as Britons leave in large numbers and non-European arrivals replace them, the country is heading toward a future where Britain is no longer British in any meaningful sense.

Source: Europa Press

Thats what happens when you give up your guns. Once they get the guns away from the population they are free to screw you as they see fit. Just talking badly about them lands you in jail now.
 
Only government...



This is absolutely insane:

This morning, the US government was selling Platinum coins on the US Mint website for $2,345/oz.

At 6:30 AM ET, Platinum prices surged above $2,345/oz, rising to a high of $2,470/oz by 10:15 AM ET.

Yet, the US continued selling these coins for $2,345, or ~5% below the market price.

As traders realized, they began buying these coins which could then be sold for ~5% more.

This likely cost the US millions of dollars, depending on how many coins were sold before the US Mint realized.

The precious metals rally has entered US government "arbitrage" mode.

Not even the US Mint saw this coming.
 
Only government...



This is absolutely insane:

This morning, the US government was selling Platinum coins on the US Mint website for $2,345/oz.

At 6:30 AM ET, Platinum prices surged above $2,345/oz, rising to a high of $2,470/oz by 10:15 AM ET.

Yet, the US continued selling these coins for $2,345, or ~5% below the market price.

As traders realized, they began buying these coins which could then be sold for ~5% more.

This likely cost the US millions of dollars, depending on how many coins were sold before the US Mint realized.

The precious metals rally has entered US government "arbitrage" mode.

Not even the US Mint saw this coming.

Not really that insane. They probably listed those when the metal was 200 lower and they would probably sit there for awhile because of the high premium. Now they are moving coins at a profit so not sure how they are losing money? Costco does the same thing. 2 weeks ago a family member bought an ounce of gold and 20 ounces of silver below spot at Costco. They will raise prices but they aren't in business to watch the price of metals all day long like coin stores.

What really insane is that coin retailers are still charging a premium at all. 2 or 4 weeks ago they were buying at 50 and now selling over 80? I understand they are making a killing selling the metal but the premium is just a bend you over without vaseline tax. Oh and at the same time they have greatly reduced buyback prices just as I said they would.
 
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