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... the outflow of funds from Greek bank accounts has been accelerating rapidly. At the start of 2010, savings and time deposits held by private households in Greece totalled €237.7 billion -- by the end of 2011, they had fallen by €49 billion. Since then, the decline has been gaining momentum. Savings fell by a further €5.4 billion in September and by an estimated €8.5 billion in October -- the biggest monthly outflow of funds since the start of the debt crisis in late 2009.
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Nevertheless, the Greeks today only have €170 billion in savings -- almost 30 percent less than at the start of 2010.
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Those who can are trying to shift their funds abroad. The Greek central bank estimates that around a fifth of the deposits withdrawn have been moved out of the country. "There is a lot of uncertainty," says Panagiotis Nikoloudis, president of the National Agency for Combating Money Laundering.
The banks are exploiting that insecurity. "They are asking their customers whether they wouldn't rather invest their money in Liechtenstein, Switzerland or Germany."
Nikoloudis has detected a further trend. At first, it was just a few people trying to withdraw large sums of money. Now it's large numbers of people moving small sums. Ypatia K., a 55-year-old bank worker from Athens, can confirm that. "The customers, especially small savers, have recently been withdrawing sums of €3,000, €4,000 or €5,000. That was panic," she said.
Marina S., a 74-year-old widow from Athens, said she has to be extra careful with money these days. "I have no choice but to withdraw money from my savings," she said.
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I think the bank run is just a part of it. From what I have read, people are no longer even depositing paychecks. They simply cash them and keep the cash. The underground economy in Greece and Italy is huge. those two countries lose tremendous amounts of tax revenue each year.
Bank of France debts jump tenfold on capital flight
The Bank of France faces surging debts to Germany's Bundesbank and fellow central banks in the EMU system as foreign investors pull large sums out of French accounts.
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I think more people would be willing to pay taxes if there was the perception that the government wasn't just mis-spending the revenue - even using it to repress us.
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And stop buying up all that physical! Leave some more for me!
I think it would take an additional catastrophe of some sort on top of Scenario #1 to launch us into Scenario #2.
...like peak oil (that according to professional/government/national security bodies all around the globe - we are experiencing right now, since 2004, a "plateau" of oil extraction, not exactly a sharp peak), that will send oil prices sky high, disrupting everything, but most crucially, global high-yield farming (strictly depending on affordable oil AND affordable fertilizers (also past their peak production - phosphorus), AND they have to be shipped globally = oil-dependent again), sending food prices sky-high and sending unemployment sky-high (our western economies are linked 1:1 with the availability of CHEAP oil, and there's NO WAY we could get off oil-dependant economy in the next 20 years, trust me, before I started to educate myself in our current dire economic situation, I was very much into renewables/free energy sources, and there's simply no alternative in sight to cheap oil, not even nearly in our sight, and much less so in the very much disrupted/broken economy).I think it would take an additional catastrophe of some sort on top of Scenario #1 to launch us into Scenario #2.
Ah, Bushi, the zeal of the recently converted
Totally agree, our current society is trained in being totally reliant on supermarkets (despite the non-edible sh.t they are quite often selling), I remember when I was a kid back in Poland (some thirty-ish years ago), everyone has a cellar with at least some jarred fruits, winter-long supply of potatoes and stuff - even people living in a big, communist 10-storey blocks. And everyone had some family living on a small farm, and there were small farmer's markets everywhere - so the resilliance was build-in. Anyone that could, would try to secure a community-garden (and there were loads of them, there still are back in my country - but today mostly for recreational purposes)The move worldwide to JIT systems has made what my dad used to call "the dangers of tiny % differences of large numbers" far more important these days.
I remember when I was a kid back in Poland (some thirty-ish years ago), everyone has a cellar with at least some jarred fruits, winter-long supply of potatoes and stuff - even people living in a big, communist 10-storey blocks. And everyone had some family living on a small farm, and there were small farmer's markets everywhere - so the resilliance was build-in.
It's not a particular bottom they seem even to be aiming for, but a rate of descent that's tolerable to us (eg, we don't start burning them on stakes). And they can't seem to hit it for a lot of reasons - part of which is their attempt to stay on top and be king of even the degraded remaining hill.
I can only hope our financial "engineers" will be able ....
The tragedy is, they are not trained engineers, these chaps,.....
If they were engineers indeed, they would NEVER design a system....
Could it be possible that we have another engineer with Bushi?
...actually, potatoes might be worth of a separate entry in the "bunker" section, I will elaborate more on them - they are big source of carbs/calories, are dead simple to grow even on not very fertile land, (even in pots, so very effective area-wise, might qualify for a glass house), dead simple to store in a heap outside, and to re-saw them next year, from the last-years leftovers. And you know what - you can even make a great booze from them!She said that many times all they had to eat were potatoes. They made boiled potatoes, fried potatoes, baked potatoes, potato pancakes, mashed potatoes, potato bread, potato soup, and on the list goes.
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