Car Dealerships: The Good & The Bad

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I would get the extended warranty, but maybe not from that dealer..
 
KnowWhy said:
Looking at a new Chrysler Pacifica. Have two kids in car seats and occasionally another rides in back seat. Have rented so many Pacificas and usually enjoyed them much Even the rentals get bugs in the software though and the controls don’t work well.
I have camped/slept in them a lot as it is cheaper than a hotel for a guy. The seats fold basically flat into the floor and when not folded in the holes are good storage. Huge sunroof and big windows. I LIKE light and being able to see out of my vehicle. I have a new hybrid Sienna but it is cramped inside comparatively, the windows are small and the headrests and chair backs are thick. I bought an older model, thinner headrest for the passenger seat but still the back seats are bad. The brakes are electronic and starts with battery regen until slowed down, then switches the actual brakes and causes a lurch. Weird on rough winter roads with ice—especially around low-speed corners. Wife likes it though. But she likes the pacifica more.

I found a dealer with a bunch of ‘26s on the lot where most are getting ‘27s in. They stated 0% for three years and i asked for pretty low out the door—12k off msrp where most are already 8-10k off the overpriced “msrp”
We’ll see. The dealer i got the toyota from was great. 10k less than Alaska and no pressure clear communication.


I expect about 60k miles out of the chrysler. I have over 175k on my ford and honda and am maintaining/repairing them. Purchased them new.

So—I am probably buying a new car and expecting the life of a 1970s vehicle.
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If you can make the numbers work, I'd just lease the POS.

What I would do - which is not what other people's needs align with - is buy a USED Honda or Toyota, or even an older DodgeChryPlym minivan. Because the QC in Stellantis products just isn't there.

But, if you don't want the Better Half in a used car (I get that) I'd lease the thing. Because my guess is, at the end of three years, it'll have scrap value, nothing moar - everything from all the plastic parts on the engine, requiring removal to change out; to the potential failure of the corporate garbage-pile that is Stellantis itself. A product like that, without support from the maker, has no value but scrap.

Lease it, look for a three-year lease with acceptable mileage limits. KEEP your present car, see if someone can park it in a barn somewhere, or just use it once a week to keep it alive. But anything made before Obombah fuel standards, before Direct Injection and turbocharging, before Stellantis or WokeFord or Mary-Barra-GM, is gonna be a better bet than what's being sold today.
 
searcher said:

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Someone should point out to Jimmy Farley and Billy Ford...what happened to, say, Packard. Packard chased the market up, until they found nothing beneath them. Packard, like so many other brands focused on the "Lifestyle" buyer (remember the Jordon Playboy? That was actually a car, too...) they've disappeared.

The number of buyers who can pay six figures for a full-size Tonka truck with a four-foot box in the back...a box you can't even reach into, it's so high off the ground...that customer pool is limited. Limited moar by the short lifespan of these things...rolling iPads, all of them; neither the electronic equipment, which is INTEGRAL to operation, nor the Woke engineering-design that has major (cost-preclusive) repairs coming in at about 30k ($10k to remove an engine to replace a timing chain because of the shoddy design? Material-blasting intake ports because of the inherent defects of direct-injection?)

...neither of them are gonna encourage repeat buyers.

Volkswagen...Volkswagenwerk AG has forgotten its heritage; it was taken over by NSU's management after West Germany forced failing NSU into Volkswagen in 1969. But the original company with the original product...the company being created to make a pre-existing product....a car intended for people who had never before been able to afford a car...they built a huge industry around repeat sales of the same high-quality product. Design was stagnant, but engineering continuously improved (not bigger screens, but actual design changes to add longer life and greater operational ability) and buyers returned - again and again and again.

Toyota repeated that, with their evergreen Camry. It was cutting-edge when introduced - a FWD midsize car. Un-advertised was it's unnatural long life. Again, the design stayed what it was, with some cosmetic improvements, but engineering, until the last seven years, continuously improved. People bought - again and again, not because the car was flashy, it's not. It's now thought to be a granny-car. But it was a solid value - until Toyota joined the Woketarded parade.

Right now, Ford is laughing to the bank, while the numbnutz who have acceptable credit, shrug and accept thousand-dollar-a-month car notes to drive a Bro-Dozer truck. It won't take long even for a cretin, to get fatigued with all that debt, with no end in sight - and dammit, those things won't LAST the ten years of that thousand-dollar note.

Ford, the company, was based on Henry's vision, the same later shared by VW and Toyota...a simple car for average people. Billy Ford is Woke, and also not-too-bright. Jim Farley is no auto man - he came from Steelcase, an office-furniture maker.

It's the end. Probably for the whole of the American auto industry. Wanna see our future? Read the history of what happened to the great British companies...merged together into government-owned British Leyland, and then sold piecemeal to American, then German, then Indian and now Chinese absentee owners.
 

Connecticut car dealership to refund customers $4 million over alleged junk fees, double charges​

HARTFORD - A Manchester car dealership has agreed to refund customers $4 million to settle a lawsuit brought by state and federal officials that claimed the business double-charged for used vehicles and collected junk fees.

Connecticut Attorney General William Tong and the Federal Trade Commission announced the settlement with Manchester City Nissan on Wednesday, more than two years after they sued over consumer protection violations.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...s-double-charges/ar-AA2awX3B?ocid=socialshare
 
Rented a pacifica again yesterday and the family got in. So much room compared to the new sianna. The visibilty out the back and the headroom in the rear-most seats is a lot better. I will have at least three kids in back for a few more years.

Was supposed to be getting on a one-way flight in half hour this morning to pick up new pacifica. Dealer called me last evening to let me know Stallantis has a recall and they can’t sell any Pacificas until resolution. Sure enough, there are no pacificas on any dealer lots showing on the websites right now. They pulled them off nationally. It’ll get worked out, but a fair amount of planning was involved for this and mildly screwed up.
Hope it resolves in the week i am here.
 
Reliability versus usefulness.

I have a Sienna, a 2009 that's in remarkably great shape. "Only" 149k miles on it. Got it cheap, and it runs like a Rolex.

Back IN 2009, I had one of the Chrysler bubble minivans. A 2007 I bought out of inventory late in 2008 - Chrysler's incipient bankruptcy seemed inevitable then; Daimler had stripped the company and dumped it on a private-equity vulture-capital outfit.

But that van was the cat's ass. The driving position was untiring; the V6 gave 28 miles a gallon. And it was a GREAT road car - I took it to Colorado from Ohio and back; then down to Dallas for a job interview; then on the road to Wisconsin and Michigan. I actually enjoyed driving that car.

The problems of the Ultramatic e-automatic transmission were becoming legendary; and Chrysler had indeed filed for bankruptcy, so with 60k miles and no problems, I dumped it for a used full-size Dodge van - much less of a driver's car.

I mention this because now I have this Sienna, the same-era minivan. The thing is quiet but it handles like a waterbed on wheels. It doesn't track straight (doesn't feel like alignment, and the tires aren't wearing) and it really scrubs the tires in curves, even gentle curves. Tractor-trailers outpace this van up in our mountain passes on the Interstate.

Nonetheless, in this day and age, just plain-old reliability and value-retention, are worth a lot. The deal-buster, in fact.
 
KnowWhy said:
Was supposed to be getting on a one-way flight in half hour this morning to pick up new pacifica.
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Good thing they let ya know prior to you making the flight.

My luck, it woulda been landing and turning the phone on just to see a text saying they couldn't sell me the car. Lol
 
Casey Jones said:
Reliability versus usefulness.

I have a Sienna, a 2009 that's in remarkably great shape. "Only" 149k miles on it. Got it cheap, and it runs like a Rolex.

Back IN 2009, I had one of the Chrysler bubble minivans. A 2007 I bought out of inventory late in 2008 - Chrysler's incipient bankruptcy seemed inevitable then; Daimler had stripped the company and dumped it on a private-equity vulture-capital outfit.

But that van was the cat's ass. The driving position was untiring; the V6 gave 28 miles a gallon. And it was a GREAT road car - I took it to Colorado from Ohio and back; then down to Dallas for a job interview; then on the road to Wisconsin and Michigan. I actually enjoyed driving that car.

The problems of the Ultramatic e-automatic transmission were becoming legendary; and Chrysler had indeed filed for bankruptcy, so with 60k miles and no problems, I dumped it for a used full-size Dodge van - much less of a driver's car.

I mention this because now I have this Sienna, the same-era minivan. The thing is quiet but it handles like a waterbed on wheels. It doesn't track straight (doesn't feel like alignment, and the tires aren't wearing) and it really scrubs the tires in curves, even gentle curves. Tractor-trailers outpace this van up in our mountain passes on the Interstate.

Nonetheless, in this day and age, just plain-old reliability and value-retention, are worth a lot. The deal-buster, in fact.
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My 20+ year old f250 got dropped off for diagnose and repair two days ago. I bought it new and it has served well. Reaching the end though. All the new ones are as you described as ipads on wheels. The 3k estimate to repair four known things is fine with me as it is only a tow vehicle for typically short runs as it’ll get me by probably several more years. Weird to think my next truck will likely be my last, given the rate i wear them out.
I have and will keep a newer sienna for it’s fuel mileage, but i could sell it for close to what i paid still.

No Chrysler dealer has any new stock listed nationally at the moment. Strange like a covid-drastic moment for them, but maybe it happens sometimes and i just have never seen it.
 
Used Car Complaints

Aug 21, 2026
I get way too many of these calls.


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GM 6.2L V8 Nightmare Gets Worse, Post-Recall L87 Federal Engineering Analysis Opened​

The Office of Defects Investigation's engineering analysis covers an estimated 997,743 trucks and sport utility vehicles from the 2021 through 2026 model years. Beyond Chevrolet, affected brands further include GMC and Cadillac. As for suspect nameplates, make that Silverado 1500, Sierra 1500, Tahoe, Suburban, Yukon, Yukon XL, Escalade, and Escalade ESV.

More:

www.autoevolution.com

GM 6.2L V8 Nightmare Gets Worse, Post-Recall L87 Federal Engineering Analysis Opened

Federal regulators have escalated their investigation into nearly one million GM trucks and sport utility vehicles over post-remedy V8 failure allegations
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  • Volkswagen announced a further 50,000 job cuts as it forges ahead with its restructuring plan.
  • The carmaker’s shares jumped on Friday as investors welcomed the cost-cutting plan.
  • The decision could create a “halo effect” for the German auto manufacturing industry, analysts said.
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Volkswagen jumps 6% on plans to cut 50,000 jobs amid tariffs, China competition

Volkswagen shares jumped on Friday after it announced plans to slash a further 50,000 jobs as part of its transformation plan.
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Volkswagen, the RICH people's car company...is gonna make history.

It's gonna be the first automotive drop-shipper and rebrander of Chinese crap. Once again, they're beating Government Motors, who was really all-set to do the same, having borrowed heavily from Chinese state banks to continue GM-Korea in bankruptcy.

So...like Chrysler used to do with Rootes and Mitsubishi subcompacts...they're gonna slap Adolf Hitler's circle logo (yes, it was his, or was approved first by him) on PRC-collective-made China crap.

That'll work out fine, I'm sure.
 
Woman Sees Her Car on a Joyride While it Was in for Repair

Sep 6, 2026
She said it was the mechanic's step-daughter who was driving it around town.


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A Boston woman, Shayna Morales, dropped off her vehicle at an auto repair shop in Hyde Park for routine service, only to later spot it being driven by the mechanic’s stepdaughter around town Moneywise.
 

GM Gen 6 V8 Engines Won’t Include An Oil Dipstick​

GM is launching its sixth-generation Small Block V8 engines in the 2027 Chevy Silverado 1500 and 2027 GMC Sierra 1500, which will be introduced with two displacements for the light-duty trucks. Though technical specifications have yet to be announced, we now know that there will be a change in the way owners check the oil level in their trucks.

The 5.7L V8 L76 and 6.6L V8 L78 engines won’t be equipped with a good old oil dipstick. Instead, owners will get a digital oil level indicator, shown on either the driver instrument cluster or the infotainment system touchscreen. As a reminder, GM vehicles already include an oil pressure gauge, and the owner’s manual says that if the oil pressure warning light or Driver Information Center message indicates oil pressure outside of the normal operating range, owners should check the oil level as soon as possible. Without a dipstick, the system will need to give further instructions to vehicle owners, while providing an approximate quantity of oil to add into the engine.

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GM Getting Rid of Dipsticks in Some Trucks

Sep 24, 2026
Steve Lehto discusses General Motors' decision to remove physical oil dipsticks from upcoming V8 engines in favor of electronic oil level monitoring systems. This shift prompts a broader conversation about automotive software integration, the potential for sensor malfunctions, and the evolving nature of routine vehicle maintenance compared to traditional mechanical checks.


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Hyundai and Kia are staring down $1 billion+ in court claims over cars that were easily stolen​

The fallout of the Hyundai and Kia car theft epidemic is far from over. Roughly 200 insurance companies are seeking reimbursement from the automakers for claims and related costs stemming from vehicles that were stolen or damaged during attempted thefts; and according to a report by the Los Angeles Times, those claims could exceed $1 billion.

The trouble started a few years ago, when a group of young people who called themselves the “Kia Boyz” begain posting on social media how easy it was to steal certain Hyundai and Kia vehicles. Thefts of these vehicles then skyrocketed, which lead to lawsuits from around the country as well as new anti-theft software being installed on both companies’ cars.

More:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/othe...re-easily-stolen/ar-AA2cm0uI?ocid=socialshare

 
searcher said:

GM Gen 6 V8 Engines Won’t Include An Oil Dipstick​

GM is launching its sixth-generation Small Block V8 engines in the 2027 Chevy Silverado 1500 and 2027 GMC Sierra 1500, which will be introduced with two displacements for the light-duty trucks. Though technical specifications have yet to be announced, we now know that there will be a change in the way owners check the oil level in their trucks.

The 5.7L V8 L76 and 6.6L V8 L78 engines won’t be equipped with a good old oil dipstick. Instead, owners will get a digital oil level indicator, shown on either the driver instrument cluster or the infotainment system touchscreen. As a reminder, GM vehicles already include an oil pressure gauge, and the owner’s manual says that if the oil pressure warning light or Driver Information Center message indicates oil pressure outside of the normal operating range, owners should check the oil level as soon as possible. Without a dipstick, the system will need to give further instructions to vehicle owners, while providing an approximate quantity of oil to add into the engine.

More:



GM Getting Rid of Dipsticks in Some Trucks

Sep 24, 2026
Steve Lehto discusses General Motors' decision to remove physical oil dipsticks from upcoming V8 engines in favor of electronic oil level monitoring systems. This shift prompts a broader conversation about automotive software integration, the potential for sensor malfunctions, and the evolving nature of routine vehicle maintenance compared to traditional mechanical checks.
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Funny...nobody in this Deliberate-Planned-Obsolescence movement, not in GM, or Ford, or PeugeotFiatUSA...remembers Renault.

Now, Renault, from an American standpoint, is easily forgettable. But there's important lessons to learn from their failure to crack the market...in two major tries...and not only does New Detroit not know them, they're repeating the mistakes.

Renault was, and is, popular in Europe. A landmass smaller than the US Northeast, where subsidized rail routes are everywhere, where fuel is taxed into being three times as spendy as in the States.

Where auto ownership is more of a social statement, a status-symbol, than to fill a need. People live close to their work - they CAN, because, until Davos Man created them with mass-migration, French and European cities had no violent ghettos.

So, a car for commuting was the need of a very-small ostentatious class.

Schools were within walking distance - no Mama-shuttling, since, again, White Europe was SAFE. Vacationing...as likely to be done with public transport, air and bus or rail. Can't drive to New York, can we.

So. The "need" in that market was, stylish cars, priced for what they are. Renault delivers.

They came to the US, even bought American Motors (and marginalized, and planned to fire, all the Kenosha engineers that had made obsolete-but-tough Hornets and Gremlins) and built their cars HERE. Everyone loved them...they looked slick; they had the latest FWD designs, all the technology.

What they did NOT have...was durability. Inside of one year, these Franco-American cars started failing in massive numbers.

What looked like a win to Renault suddenly reversed. Sales collapsed. Even GM benefited - their crap cars looked better in comparison. It was such a collapse that Renault suddenly had to pour MORE money into AMC - angering the French labor unions, where they faced layoffs...and two anarchists, paid by the labor unions, shot the CEO of Renault in front of his home.

When was the last time you saw an AMC-Renault Alliance? I'll bet you haven't ever seen one. I haven't seen one in 35 years. They vanished that fast. No parts, no support...no quality, no interest. They're a quaint history - like Yugo.

GM is going EXACTLY the same route, here. Those expensive sensors WILL fail. Like various exhaust monitors now fail - giving users an expensive CHECK ENG warning - and like plastic intake manifolds and oil-pump mounting parts fail; like timing belts run through engine oil, fail.

When it fails, there will be no way to know the oil level. IF THE USER KNOWS and cares...it'll be call-the-stealership time; come back in a month and we'll look at it.

While the oil supply is unmonitored...un-checkable.

These cars are going to fail EARLY, and buyers will punish...no, that's not the right word. They just won't be able to consider buying a Garbage Motors car or truck - they fail before the loan is half paid-off; there's no value proposition. At today's prices it will literally be a massive savings to take Uber or a taxi to work. Of course that will change as older cars die off, and there's nothing to replace them with...but as a stopgap, it will make more sense.

Goodbye, you Woke bubbleheads.
 
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