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More: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2013/04/28/china-goes-gold-crazy-why-now/
 
So is the demand for physical ramping up or tailing off ?

The msm seem to have got bored with it and all the gold bug reporting tries to talk it up, in the hope that this time we really can see a separation of gold and paper prices.

Does the open physical market have enough 'clout' to make a difference ?
 
Looking at the biggest UK site, they're back up to next day delivery again, but 80% of product is sold out.

For example the only 1 ounce silver coins they have are Chinese Pandas.
If you buy more than 100, you'll 'only' pay 47% over spot plus the 20% tax we have on silver here on top of that...

http://www.bullionbypost.co.uk/silver-coins/chinese-silver/1oz-chinese-panda-silver-coin/


I think it's game over already. But it might take another bank deposit confiscation in Europe to make the average European get zee gold/silver to really seal the deal.
 
I'm new to this forum. Does this kind of thing happen very often in PM?
 
Not to my memory. There were a couple of periods post 2008 / Lehman when demand was strong and supplies for some products like Silver Eagles got tight, premiums rose and delivery delays were common, but it wasn't like this. No one was worried about COMEX/GLD/LBMA stocks and BRICS weren't hording local production and importing like they are now.
 
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-08/chinese-gold-imports-soar-monthly-record-insatiable-demand

Export data released by the Hong Kong Census and Statistics Department overnight showed, Chinese gold imports in March exploded to an all time record high of 223.5 tons.


 
Can't wait for the April numbers! As PMBug posted above, a lot of records broken on the Shanghai gold exchange in April!


"April imports will be stronger than March," said Ronald Leung, chief dealer at Lee Cheong Gold Dealers in Hong Kong. "The world was buying gold and China was no different at all."
 
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NICE chart, Unbeatable!

NICE cartoon, DSABug!

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I was able to take advantage of the price plunge in Au, but now I am out of FIAT$ for the moment. Maybe THAT is why demand has slacked off? People like me took all the money they could lay their hands on to by gold, and now they feel they have enough (for now...) and they need to wait for more money...

 
Another chart on the Hong Kong import numbers:

 

http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/content/en//mineweb-gold-news?oid=191084&sn=Detail
 
Well China's gold import numbers came out for April. It is the second biggest on record but I was still a little surprised it wasn't higher to be honest.



PMBug noted that


Now maybe those numbers don't directly relate to import tonnage for the month, but setting MASSIVE consecutive import records you'd think...
ZH does offer an explanation and says...


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-06/point-out-slump-chinese-gold-imports-chart

I know China often fudges their numbers to the upside and I don't know how possible it is to fudge Aprils gold numbers to the downside but I definitely think it would be in every bodies interest to do so...

If China posted a huge record month then the supply numbers just wouldn't add up to a 12 year old. This way Bloomberg gets to have headlines like
China’s Gold Imports From Hong Kong Slump on Quota Backlog
(Even though headline should be 'China imports 2nd highest ever on price dip!') & China keeps getting the West to sell them gold for a few more months...
 
June 11, ten thousand people line up in front of a gold shop to buy gold. The buyers lined up during the three day Dragon Boat Festival






http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...ina-ten-thousand-people-waiting-line-buy-gold
 
A line 10,000 people long to buy gold? Inconceivable!
 
Sorry, I probably should have included a short vid clip to provide proper context:

 
In mainland China, the Shanghai Gold Exchange saw record volumes on Monday, while queues formed outside some jewellery shops in Beijing.



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...gh-hong-kong-jewellers-and-banks-face-supply-
 
A line 10,000 people long to buy gold? Inconceivable!
bullshit, it CLEARLY is auditions time for the next edition of "Chinese Idol" :rotflmbo:. See Chinese have their priorities right, too!
 
Chinese people are buying up massively and the government is not telling us how much their official holdings are...

What if China has already more than what the US is saying they have at the Fed's vault? (which might not actually be there...)

The BRICS may be preparing for that new currency, which could be gold-backed. A rival to the dollar... partial gold-backing is good enough as well...
 
More on the Chinese buying spree. I don't believe we are going to see any of the info in this thread on NBC Nightly News.

http://goldsilverworlds.com/physical-market/what-is-driving-gold-now/

 
I love the Bloomberg headline & opening line...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...rom-hong-kong-decline-as-demand-slows-1-.html

China’s Gold Imports From Hong Kong Decline as Demand Slows

China’s net gold imports from Hong Kong fell 4.8 percent in June as a slump in prices damped demand and the government curbed the use of bullion in financing deals.

Decline, fell, damped, slump and curbed. Oh no... Meanwhile if you read on...


Mainland buyers purchased 101 metric tons, after deducting flows from China into Hong Kong, compared with 106 tons a month earlier

China had another 100 ton + monthly net import! &...

The Shanghai Gold Exchange, China’s largest bullion bourse, delivered 1,098 tons to buyers in the six months through June, compared with 1,139 tons for the whole of last year


Yes they're on track to double their demand vs. 2012 and deliver over 2000 tons for the year in a world where scrap plus mining supply only equals 4100 tons!

Also this year that total may be as low as 3600-3800 tons this year because people aren't selling scrap... http://www.pmbug.com/forum/f2/used-gold-supply-heads-’08-low-sellers-balk-2383/


Gold scrap supply likely to drop up to 25%. Scrap bullion supply could fall by 300 to 400 tonnes in 2013 from about 1,600 tonnes last year, according to Marcus Grubb, managing director of investment research at the World Gold Council.
 
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China has been "gold crazy" for a very long time...

They are also nuts about US bonds and US dollars overall. How crazy!
 
No they haven't been "gold crazy" for a long time...

It is only in the last 3-4 years that their purchases have really picked up, this year in particular.




While they've also stalled on their relative holdings of US debt over the same period.



So all pretty much the exact opposite of

China has been "gold crazy" for a very long time...

They are also nuts about US bonds and US dollars overall. How crazy!
 

More: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...-from-hong-kong-climb-on-physical-demand.html
 
Looks like Bloomberg underestimated July's import numbers...
More: http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/content/en//mineweb-gold-news?oid=204726&sn=Detail
 
Apologies that a lot of my posts are usual copy & pastes from ZH, but it's the main site I read and this should be pretty big news, and about time...

"China Expected To Announce It Has More Than Doubled Its Gold Reserves", Shanghai Daily

China may soon announce an increase in its official gold reserve from 1,054 tons to 2,710 tons, Jeffrey Nichols, managing director of American Precious Metals Advisors, said.

Oh well: the period of quiet accumulation was fun while it lasted.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...nnounce-it-has-more-doubled-its-gold-reserves
 
2,710 tons? That sounds low. Real numbers are likely more than 4,000 tons by now.
 
2,710 tons? That sounds low. Real numbers are likely more than 4,000 tons by now.

Yeah, I think if they announced a higher number then that it might break the fragile gold market.

At the same time, I think they have to announce something, because they haven't announced an official number in such a long time, and they've been importing so much...

So maybe 2710 tons is the lowest semi-believable/credible number they think they can get away with.
 
According to Harvey Organ [among many, many others] China is now the largest gold stash holder in the world. On a par-capita basis they are still pretty low in the rankings, but as an entity it is speculated that they have surpassed everyone.
 

Further down that same page I see this:


with more citations after that.
 
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