Explain to me why Israel has no right to exist.

Casey Jones said:

It would depend.

If self-directed (the wise would get financial advising) it would have worked better than Ponzi Security has worked. Taking money in the front door (withholding) and paying it right out the back door (as happens) provides NO returns.

If it were centrally directed by political hacks, hacks who had been bought by Wall Street...no, it would not have gone so well.

If we'd been given the option to put some of it in stocks, AND put away the wet-dream of the Mastermind Class - the Managed Market, with Plunge Protection - we'd have been fine. In fact, we'd not be here, now - much of our insanity comes from fiat money; mal-spending by government; the resultant inflation, and that these Masterminds NEED inflation to manage the public DEBT from this incorrigable spending-beyond-income.

Various state pension plans (that give government employees an OUT of antiSocial inSecurity) have fabulous benefits, with comparable withholding. By investing.

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The talk was not self directed just had to go into an SP500 fund.

Israel has nukes. Iran and Co. don't. Israel hasn't nuked them yet. If the Muzzies had the nuke how long would it take for them to use it? Over/under. In minutes please.

How can the Israelis be on stolen land when in fact for thousands of years the land has been their ancestral homeland and was so long before any Muslim pitched a tent or created the word Palestinian. It was their land long before the Roman occupation and was so during it which created a Jewish Diaspora among much of the region and of Europe in modern times while their ancestral land was occupied by foreign occupiers practicing a much younger religion called Islam.

SilverStacker said:

How can the Israelis be on stolen land when in fact for thousands of years the land has been their ancestral homeland and was so long before any Muslim pitched a tent or created the word Palestinian. It was their land long before the Roman occupation and was so during it which created a Jewish Diaspora among much of the region and of Europe in modern times while their ancestral land was occupied by foreign occupiers practicing a much younger religion called Islam.

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Don't confuse me with the facts.

SilverStacker said:

How can the Israelis be on stolen land when in fact for thousands of years the land has been their ancestral homeland and was so long before any Muslim pitched a tent or created the word Palestinian. It was their land long before the Roman occupation and was so during it which created a Jewish Diaspora among much of the region and of Europe in modern times while their ancestral land was occupied by foreign occupiers practicing a much younger religion called Islam.

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I think it's because they (Palestinians) were the ones physically living there in 1947.
.....but the problem was that despite living there, they were not the ones actually in control of the land.

I fail to see how it is any different than a renter not being able to renew their lease because the owner wanted to sell the property.

Looking at the history of the area, it seems as though actual Palestinians have not been in control of that area since almost the stone age.

It's been the territory of some other nation or empire since then.


Question for the "river to the sea" people.

How is that any different than the idea Americans should vacate America and give it back to the natives who were already here before we got here.

How would that be any different?

At what point does, "if you can't hold it, you don't own it", come into play?

Also, don't take my position as meaning I love Israel. Because I think they can do some f'ed up shit as well as anyone.
......but that also doesn't excuse the f'ed up shit the ones attacking them can do, either.

Sometimes I think the World would be far better off if that whole area of the World could just be removed from the equation.

I'm so sick of all of it. It's as though no one in that area of the World actually WANTS to get along.
.....and to get along with anyone, requires at the least to have the desire to not want to fight all the time.

What is it about the Middle East that makes people become completely unreasonable?

SilverStacker said:

How can the Israelis be on stolen land when in fact for thousands of years the land has been their ancestral homeland and was so long before any Muslim pitched a tent or created the word Palestinian. It was their land long before the Roman occupation and was so during it which created a Jewish Diaspora among much of the region and of Europe in modern times while their ancestral land was occupied by foreign occupiers practicing a much younger religion called Islam.

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So people with European ancestry (DNA) who are of the Jewish religion (converted, non-Semites) can claim the land and starting in 1947 attack the current inhabitants (that included Muslims and Christians) who are actually Semites?

Then constantly wage wars to continually expand their borders?

Sure, why not. Just leave my wealth (taxes, etc.). out of it.

Lancers32 said:

Israel has nukes. Iran and Co. don't. Israel hasn't nuked them yet. If the Muzzies had the nuke how long would it take for them to use it? Over/under. In minutes please.

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Since the Jews and Muslims are brothers, never...they would both learn to be fair or they would be gone...

Lancers32 said:

Israel has nukes. Iran and Co. don't. Israel hasn't nuked them yet. If the Muzzies had the nuke how long would it take for them to use it? Over/under. In minutes please.

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Pakistan?

Fatrat said:

Since the Jews and Muslims are brothers, never...they would both learn to be fair or they would be gone...

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All that needs to happen, all that's ever needed to happen, is for the "from the river to the sea" people to quit attacking Israel and therefore deny them their excuse to over react with overwhelming force to every perceived violation.


If you have some little dog constantly nipping and biting at you for nearly 80 years, even you at some point would want to just knock the shit out of it.

Joe King said:

All that needs to happen, all that's ever needed to happen, is for the "from the river to the sea" people to quit attacking Israel and therefore deny them their excuse to over react with overwhelming force to every perceived violation.


If you have some little dog constantly nipping and biting at you for nearly 80 years, even you at some point would want to just knock the shit out of it.

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Umm, I think you got that backwards.

Viking said:

Umm, I think you got that backwards.

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How? Israel has been being attacked since day one. Once attacked, any response is typically called self defense.

If Israel has come to over react in response to attacks, it is due to the near constant attacks on them.
.....and I do agree that they often go too far in their responses.

Which makes me ask, why give 'em the excuse to go too far by attacking in the first place?

Joe King said:

All that needs to happen, all that's ever needed to happen, is for the "from the river to the sea" people to quit attacking Israel and therefore deny them their excuse to over react with overwhelming force to every perceived violation.


If you have some little dog constantly nipping and biting at you for nearly 80 years, even you at some point would want to just knock the shit out of it.

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Spoken like a Palestitian who has been robbed and abused for eighty years...

Fatrat said:

Spoken like a Palestitian who has been robbed and abused for eighty years...

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How did Israel's creation rob them of something that they immediately had to attack in an attempt to get back?

Let's start with the fact it was Ottoman Empire land that Britain acquired due to WW1

To have had the land stolen from them requires that they be the one's rightfully owning it prior to Israel's creation.

I'm trying to approach this subject from a logical and legal standing.