Fitch downgrades China’s credit rating for the first time since 1999

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http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/591224c8-a0ff-11e2-bae1-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2Q44Ok8VL
 
I'd have to think China would force the world's hand with respect to the global fiat ponzi before they got to the point of begging for a bailout.
 
Part of the problem is that nobody knows the true state of China's economy.
Local municipalities and banks are in trouble as far as we Westerners can see.
The 20+% p.a. credit expansion is definitely a serious danger. The the classical Austrian economics credit bubble.
 
Chins has a Potemkin economy. Period. when you set about to construct entire cities, which by the way their common citizen could never afford to live in, and then you turn loose hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollar equivalents, then you look the other way as developers pave over your productive farmland to build mile after mile of condominiums and houses that all sit empty, you have the perfect recipe for disaster. Add to that the massive scale of resource hoarding being undertaken and the total misallocation of resources, then top it off with a badly cobbled together and inadequate infrastructure and the makings for collapse start to come in to focus. I have read story after story about the Chinese underground "banks", where groups of individuals pool money to loan out at huge rates of interest, and in the same stories I find many instances of people who thought they could just flip properties to pay the vig who ended up hanging from a bridge when they couldn't make the payments. China isn't in a bubble, they are in outer space now and when this thing comes apart, it will be epic.

All it takes is another recession/depression and the show is over. As fast as China rose, they will fall even faster.
 
Everything seems to be tottering on the edge of a cliff. Watching the magic stock levitation every day is getting boring. The ultra thin volume on the Dow? Nothing to see here......move along. How about all of the regulatory blindness? How about DHS arming to the teeth? How about this massive push to disarm Americans? How about the widespread capital controls? Limits on cash transactions? How about being treated like a fucking criminal for asking to withdraw fifteen large from the bank in cash.....you know......just like it was when I put it in? How about the sudden and complete inability to purchase ammunition nearly everywhere?

Conspiracy theory? I don't think so, just some prudent observations. We're getting close to something ugly people, and it ain't in our imaginations, it's the real McCoy.

When the machine grinds to a halt, that is when the rubber meets the road. Just like all debt based systems, it needs constant increases in debt to survive. Period. If the flow of new debt stops, so does the party.
 
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... Watching the magic stock levitation every day is getting boring. ...

I watched a little bit of the Fox Business News channel yesterday. The anchors and "analysts" were just gaga over the stock markets reaching new highs and what a great time it was to invest.

I just sat in wonder how no one had a single brain cell for critical thinking there. How/why is the stock market reaching new highs? Does it make sense with the economy/earnings? No questions were asked nor answered. No hint of caution that there might be any irrationality going on.
 
IMHO...

Most of the news us westerners hear about China amounts to propaganda. Not from China, but from our own governments.

Anyone ever seen an empty mall in the USA? I sure have. I've also seen plenty of empty apartment buildings. We get part of the story, not all of it. So I don't want to assume China is this or that. What I see is China is buying a shit load of gold so I don't think they are dumb.
 
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