Greece: Are we on like donkey-kong?

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Just before the stockmarket closed, we got the news that the ECB is not going to let Greek banks use their debt as collateral. Sounds to me like Europe may be approaching a denouement....

Everybody knows (and has known) that Greece never could and never will pay off its debts. Though it seems to me that this fact has been ignored by the financial markets and MSM.

I guess that we will see soon if this is just another false alarm (or can kick) or whether this actually means anything.

Preparation, fishez!

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Cynical song "Everybody Knows" for your enjoyment:

 
I think we are getting close. There will likely be a few more rounds of unacceptable proposals offered and rejected though.
 
Grexit....followed by Spexit, followed by Portexit.........

I doubt that Spain will exit and Portugal will probably not either. Why? Simply because the Spanish and Portuguese "empires" (read that as South & Central America) hold the key to Europe's raw material needs. I suspect that one way or another those two will continue to be bailed out.

Greece, on the other hand, has no leverage at all, so once the EU has thoroughly raped her, she will be thrown away.
 
Greece, on the other hand, has no leverage at all, so once the EU has thoroughly raped her, she will be thrown away.

Uh.. that's not really an accurate assessment of the relationship or the situation.

The "pretend" part of "extend and pretend" is that you are pretending that the Greek bonds are actually ever going to be paid back. Right now, these nations and institutions have those Greek bonds at 100 cents on the dollar on their balance sheet. If Greece exits and forces them to write it down to zero, they can't mark that asset at 100 cents on the dollar anymore.

Greece isn't better off by borrowing more money and using that money to pay old debts while liquidating their productive assets. The only one benefiting from this arrangement is the rest of Europe and once Greece leaves, they are going to be the only ones losing.
 
On the other hand... You might just be right DCRB ...


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...european-ultimatum-ukraine-peace-talks-falter
 
Shrugged off by investors?!?!? What about the derivatives, what about CDS?? Half a trillion dollars is nothing to sneeze at people. This ain't Lehman, and Greece won't be broken up in to little pieces and sold off to the highest bidder in an attempt to cover some losses, these "investors" are all fucked.
 
Talks between Greece and eurozone officials were expected to last through the night. Instead Greece Bailout Talks Collapsed in Acrimony after four hours. ...

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/02/greek-bailout-talks-collapse-in-four.html

It really looks like the Greeks are not going to capitulate and the music is stopping. It looks like we are going to find out just how much financial contagion (or derivatives exposure) gets triggered if a solution isn't found roughly by the end of February.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-16/greece-what-happened-today-and-what-happens-next
 
It's to the point that I'm just so impressed that this intercontinental juggling act is still going. Sure they drop a ball here and there, but they get another ball and a chainsaw thrown in and it keeps going. Of course that will make it that much worse when it falls apart, but it's hard not to stare slack jawed in amazement as it all swirls around us.
 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ees-extra-emergency-funds?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

The ECB blinked first.
 
its not in anyones interest to see greece leave the eurozone ( apart from a few goldbugs perhaps)

Ultimately Germany will roll over and even when other peripheral nations come cap in hand, printing will be seen as the least bad option
 
its not in anyones interest to see greece leave the eurozone ( apart from a few goldbugs perhaps)

Ultimately Germany will roll over and even when other peripheral nations come cap in hand, printing will be seen as the least bad option

I think it's in the best interest of Greece to move on. Delaying the inevitable isn't going to last much longer.
 
I agree with that sentiment. Do it and get it over with. Just like ripping off a Band-Aid, it will hurt a while, but then it gets better. Greece has been held hostage by the EU and ECB for far too long now. It's time for a real change, and I don't mean Obama style change.
 
Its only going to help Greece if they are actually prepared for the event.

Just to stop paying all gov and local authority employees and contracts will be a huge problem if there isnt a detailed plan in place. Syrzia has not had time to do the preps.

And the big boys will do all they can to fuck up any preparations and fill as many Greeks with fear as they can because they in turn fear contagion.

Its easy to say 'just do it' when its not your country or livelihood in the frame.
 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...rnment-considers-borrowing-pensions-repay-imf

Life support isn't living. How long will the theater play this drama?
 
They are robbing the pension funds:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/03/03/uk-eurozone-greece-funding-idUKKBN0LZ1XC20150303

This is a desperation move that could happen anywhere. Trial balloons for doing similar things have already been floated here in the USA:

http://www.pmbug.com/forum/tags/401k/
 
Sounds like Europe rejected Greece's proposals. This is getting comical.
 

http://www.goldcore.com/us/gold-blo...-of-time-bank-runs-intensify-bail-ins-likely/
 
bleeding digits ....

I wonder why the greek banks don't simply create some new eurodigits and perhaps a few dollar digits as a fall back.

Seriously who really knows whats in a banks computer. Its all done on trust as far as I understand.

Once they all get up to speed on the unlimited digit creation everything will be great
They could even bang a few into the peoples accounts to trigger a bit of keynsian 'recovery'
 

lol.


http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/03/one-minute-to-midnight-athens-raids.html
 
The brotherhood of Darkness is doing just what they planned. They figure if Greece isn't going to pay them back, they will make damn sure they have absolutely zero when they leave the union. If the Greeks were serious, they would have exited immediately after the election and run in to the open arms of Mother Russia.

Taking cash out of pension funds and the like can only spell disaster.
 
I just read that Greece is now wavering on the idea of robbing peter to pay.......the IMF. If they had any balls whatsoever, they would tell Merkel and the EU bank to go pound sand. Do it now man, rip off that band aid and be a man about it.

Prolonging the inevitable is absurd. It is just as absurd as taking more loans while paying off old ones. That feels a lot like borrowing a shitload of money on a credit card, then spending years and years making minimum payments, yet never eating away at the principle.
 

They have been doing that for a long time. The cards are maxed out now.
 
Um yeah, so I took some time away from the computer over the Easter holiday. To recap some important details.

April 2:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...achma-plans-prepares-to-miss-IMF-payment.html

Today:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/06/us-eurozone-greece-imf-idUSKBN0MX01D20150406
 
The Greek comedy never seems to end. They want to stay in, they want to get out, they want to stay in.........it's like a dog in the house. Whenever you let them out they want in, when they're out, they want back in. These are the most neurotic ramblings yet from Tsipras. They need to shit or get off the pot.
 
Hard to tell what is going on behind the scenes. Maybe Greece has some back door financing deals with Russia/China/??? that will allow them to pay the IMF and maintain their payroll/pension obligations. If not, I expect Varoufakis was blowing smoke up Lagarde's ass and lying to the media to prevent a premature response in the markets. I guess we'll see in a few days what happens.
 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...ower-athens-warns-next-month-different-matter

 
Looks like some Greek peeps are setting the foundation for giving the finger the troika:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-08/odious-debt-has-finally-arrived-greece-write-illegal-debt


Greeks gonna audit their debt. When are we gonna audit the Fed?
 
The Greeks are reaching now, and looking quite desperate as well. Between their claims for reparations from Germany and this new idea of declaring the debt null and void, I can see the writing on the wall. Tsipras knows damn well that this debt is a ball and chain on every single soul in Greece and that it will never be repaid. Much like the U.S., Greece has over spent, promised far too generous retirements at an age that is far too young and can no longer live within her means if these promises are kept. There will be a repudiation of debt, return to Drachmas and haircuts for everyone getting any kind of government benefits.
 
Looks we caught up to that can that's being kicked down the street. Here we go again...
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/c5964f9c-e1ef-11e4-bb7f-00144feab7de.html
 
I say do it already. The world is coming apart at the seams, the Middle East is set to go nuclear any day now and there's trouble in the Baltics. A Greek default would be the perfect catalyst.
 
And so the strip mining of Greece is complete. Once done, the EU will be able to dictate terms as they see fit. If Greece doesn't cobble together some sort of framework quickly, this will devolve in to civil war. There are whole factions within the military that want out of the EU, and they have the weapons to do it.
 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...ing-greek-plan-b-c-d-including-parallel-curre

Looks like we are getting closer to that Grexit.
 
Interesting... Faber doesn't believe that the EU will let Greece go. I'm not sure that the EU will be the ones making the choice though. Once there is political will and a plan in action, Greece might take charge of their own destiny.


http://www.goldcore.com/us/gold-blog/this-is-a-new-world-order-greece-not-allowed-leave-eu-faber/
 
I'm sure it's just cause we're living in it, and when looking back at history, things seemed to happen in bang, bang fashion, but this seems like the slowest sinking ship in history. It's also interesting as so many sit in their boats talking about what a tragedy it is that Greece was foolish enough to build a boat that could sink, unlike all their "unsinkable" boats they built.
 
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