India gold demand (Diwali)

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Looks like gold demand in India is charging full speed ahead:
More: http://www.goldmoney.com/gold-research/roman-baudzus/gold-price-hits-new-record-high-in-india.html
 
Great post PMBug. Can you explain though how the Indian gold price hit a record high while the USD gold price still remains reasonably below its all time high?

Is the Indian gold market decoupled from the US/London/Asian market? Or does it have to do with the relative price of the rupee with respect to the dollar?
 
Mr Unobtanium,

I'm guessing you're not an FX trader.....haha. Dude, currencies trade against each other and therefore it's possible (and happens every day) for the price of gold (or any other commodity) to go down in US dollars but go up in another currency. All that has to happen is for the currency in question to fall against the US dollar (in percentage terms) more than gold falls against the US dollar..

The best way to get a handle on it is to randomly pick a currency other than the US dollar and watch it from day to day and then you'll understand.

Cheers, ID
 
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Thanks for the info Island. Definitely not an FX trader here. I thought it might have something to do with the relative currency values, so thanks for confirming that.

And BTW, welcome to the forum, it is nice to have you aboard.
 
While I'm no currency trader, I do watch. Due to my psychology and trading tool set, I find that owning just a little (could be way less the 1% of my stuff) makes me watch it a lot closer - something 'bout skin in the game even if it's only a few not quite dead skin cells.

Lately, that something regarding currencies has been EUO, which is short the EURUSD cross.
 
And BTW, welcome to the forum, it is nice to have you aboard.

Thanks! I'm always looking for places to talk PMs. Just ditched my old place (got sick of the fighting and name-calling due to differences of opinion). I want to hang out at a place where people can learn and trade ideas and name calling is kept to a minimum.

Cheers
 
This underscores a strange phenomenon in my mind - one of perception and illusion. Even though we are locked into forced acceptance of a fiat currency (as payment of taxes and debts), the fact that the US dollar is the world's reserve currency (soon to end), and so much foreign currency is "backed" or valued by US dollar holdings, it makes us like the First Class passengers aboard the Titanic. Everyone may wish they were not beholden to the dollar, but many (like China) are forced to grit their teeth and prop it up for their own survival.

Our twisted economic game of musical chairs (where more players are added, rather than chairs removed, in an every expanding circle of claimants on a limited number of chairs) is unusual here: What can cause the music to stop altogether, with a mad implosion to the middle by everyone? A contraction of the dollar, as the credit stops expanding. Greece and Iceland can implode and it poses a financial strain on the European economy, but if the dollar implodes - and that is unavoidable in the long term - everything else implodes along with it, as all are sucked into the same, massive black hole.

Add to that the fact that other fiat Ponzi schemes are far more leveraged than us means a likelihood of greater time to funnel our currency holdings into what really is a finite number of value-retaining life rafts - and all because a faster drop on the part of a fellow skydiver can look like a "rise" on the parts of those who don't fall quite as fast.
 
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Welcome and glad you found your way here.
 

More: http://www.goldmoney.com/gold-research/roman-baudzus/indian-precious-metal-sales-fall.html
 
If Europe implodes on us, and the Eurozone reverts to treaditional national currencies, the dollar will blast up over 90 - 95, and PM's will get sent to the woodshed. However, we will have a unique opportunity to buy them on the cheap for as long as the dollar can keep it's pants on. I would say we could see a three month super rally in the dollar, but when the realization sinks in about our debt, and just how unsustainable it is, it will quickly crash out, permitting PM's to explode.

Just my humble opinion.
 
I think supply stress will make taking advantage of the dollar's strength vs. paper gold difficult. By the time it becomes that great a bargain, you will be hard pressed to find anyone selling large quantites of physical gold and silver.
 
Looks like PMs are going to the woodshed right now. I don't think the dollar going up in that measure is the reason - they are going down relative to oil too. My system would have you sell your non core holdings at this point, at a loss - it happens. I'm not sure I will this time. Looks like someone had to raise more cash than people wanted gold right then or something like that. That's usually "transitory"
 

To me.. it looks like we just had to fill the gap up for the GDX + GDXJ from last week while gold tests the lower rising lows line. Personally, I don't like seeing us test the lower end of that triangle. Definitely makes me worried about future selling.

What we really need today is a cleanup in gold and the shares. Prolonged selling into the end of the week wouldn't be good.
 
There is some unintentional comedy in this article (bolded parts - emphasis mine):
More: http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/page33?oid=141012&sn=Detail&pid=102055

Keynesian economists and central bankers really derped it up there.
 
The bank runs are already underway in Europe. Greece is an open run, but Spain, Portugal and Italy are under the radar runs for now. If Frau Merkel and Sarko can't shake that knot loose and do it soon, we will be witness to all hell breaking loose.
 
Bottom line: Indian inflation of the rupee is fueling high gold prices and high accumulations of gold in India. Or maybe it would be better to say that flight to gold in India indicates that the government is debasing the Indian Rupee.
 
* necro bump *


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Nov 17 (Reuters) - Indian buyers brushed off record high local prices this week making gold purchases during the Diwali festival week in the country, while China premiums remained buoyant after the top-buyer continued to accumulate gold holdings.

 
Sounds nice, but the report lacks hard numbers.
 
Plus they pay a national tax on gold purchases driving the price higher.
 
Some numbers:

~2x normal for the month of October seems like a lot.
 

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India's gold demand to rise in 2024

Higher purchases in the world's second-biggest gold consumer could support prices , which are trading near record highs.

India's gold demand has been stuck between 700 and 800 metric tons in the past five years, but it is expected to break out of this range and rise to between 800 and 900 tons in 2024, Somasundaram P.R., CEO of WGC's Indian operations told Reuters.

"Given the fact that high prices have now been absorbed and economic growth is robust, demand is resetting its base to 800 to 900 tons," he said.


China = 1st gold consumer
India = 2nd gold consumer
After the upcoming world currency reset they will become... 2 world superpowers!
 

India’s gold market update: muted consumption demand​

Posted 14 February, 2024

Highlights:​

  • After setting a record close in 2023, gold prices retreated and ended January 1.2% down at US$2,053/oz.1 The strong US dollar, high bond yields and fund outflows from global ETFs were contributing factors.
  • Domestic Indian price of gold saw a similar decline to international prices owing to the relative stability of the domestic currency. Notwithstanding the moderation, the landed price of gold hovered around INR62,600/10g.2
  • The domestic gold price began to trade at a premium relative to international price in late January, following nearly three months of trading at a discount.
  • The RBI made the highest monthly gold purchase in eighteen months in January following two months of pause in buying.
  • Indian gold ETFs have seen consistent inflows for the last 10 months. January saw US$66.7mn (Rs6.5bn) in net inflows – the highest since August.
  • Gold imports both in value and volume terms have moderated following the spike in October weighed down by high prices and soft demand for gold jewelry.
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monthly record for silver imports into India




India imports 2200 tons of silver in February (approx 70 mil oz), after total imports in 2022 were 3,625 tons.
After 2 months India is at almost 3,000 tons, with the annual record being 9600 tons in 2022.




In 1 single month - February - India imported 7-8% of 2023 global production.
On an annual basis India is importing the whole 2023 global production.
That doesn't make any sense.
I have no idea where this amount of silver is coming from
 


I read that options can get canceled - among others - in case of "market disorder".

When this happened what happened with nickel calls?
Did they get canceled?
If not, calls' holders are still partying
 

Exclusive: India's March gold imports set to drop 90% as prices surge-sources​

MUMBAI, March 27 (Reuters) - India's gold imports are set to plunge by more than 90% in March from the previous month to hit their lowest level since the COVID pandemic as banks cut imports after record-high prices hit demand, a government official and two bank dealers told Reuters.

Lower imports by India, the world's second biggest consumer of the precious metal, could limit a rally in global prices that hit a record high earlier this month on expectations that the Federal Reserve will cut interest rates this year.

The drop in imports could also help India narrow its trade deficit and support the rupee .

India's gold imports are likely to fall to 10 to 11 metric tons in March from 110 metric tons in February, said a government official, who declined to be named as he was not authorized to talk to the media.

Gold imports in March 2024 are expected to be the lowest since the COVID pandemic, when air traffic restrictions limited imports and lockdowns led to the closure of jewelry shops.

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You have to take those charts with a grain of salt. India monkeys around with import tariffs too much and a lot of their gold imports are smuggled in off the books. That's how we get awesome stories like the one that "smuggled a coffee machine in his rectum". Even so, I do concede the point that China's gold imports appear to be much more significant than India's.
 
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