India's government seeks to dissuade people from investing in gold

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http://www.24hgold.com/english/news...10020&redirect=false&contributor=Chris+Powell

"Worried over the flow of savings for investment in gold, Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee on Saturday said there is a need to spread financial literacy to encourage people to invest in market instruments."

"Time is ripe to motivate our educated upper middle class to climb from saving mode to wealth-generation mode..."

"In order to check gold imports, the government has increased the basic customs duty on gold bars from 2 per cent to 4 per cent."
 
The minister further said, "Time is ripe to motivate our educated upper middle class to climb from saving mode to wealth-generation mode. ...

:rotflmbo:



:doodoo:

 
...well what can you say, they are waaaay back & trying to catch up with "the greatest & best" economies. The same goes on everywhere - people don't try to be imaginative, especially not politicians. They would follow tried & tested paths. Even when tried & tested, and what has been working in the past (for various reasons), is on the way to destruction - they do not look further than next election cycle.
 
I remember from way back (early 1970s) that there was BIG TIME gold smuggling from Dubai to India. They used to use boats called "dhows", that was the first time I ran into that term.

Gold smuggling will come back if India's .gov cracks down too hard.

Yes, LOL re their asking Indians to save in other ways...
 
Due to high prices of gold, Indians are starting to turn to silver:
...yup, and that was my thought, why silver might benefit more from fiat currency depreciation - if the average folk on the street starts waking up to the story.

Gold will be "big boys" toy of choice, where silver, will most probably be a man-on-the-street currency/store of value.

I am getting all excited
 
Next attempt: ban the sale of it by banks
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/cn...in-sales-at-banks-to-clamp-import_722919.html

"The sharp rise in gold imports has the Reserve Bank worried. After clamping down on gold-loan companies, the central bank is now internally debating on banning banks from selling gold coins, reports CNBC-TV18's Gopika Gopakumar.

Akshaya Tritiya may not be auspicious for banks in the future. The Reserve Bank is considering a ban on sale of gold coins by banks to partly curb rising gold imports and because the central bank believes it is not relevant to core banking operations."

 

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...t-rising-gold-demand/articleshow/17360437.cms

They have already introduced paper gold (etfs), higher taxes and banning loans for gold purchases. What will they think up next?
 

http://gata.org/node/12087
 

More: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-02/dont-show-bernanke-chart-gold-loans-india

Tradition!
 
... what else you could expect from idiot politicians . Instead of ENCOURAGING people to invest into something that will survive the coming paper apocalypse, and be the strength for the country, even if in people's hands - the idiots would rather have their people holding on to dollars/other paper reserves. Ttypical, isn't it.

At this point, I really don't suspect anything sensible coming from any of the politicians in the western, or west-influenced governments. They are all under a collective spell of Neo Keynesians.

Truly, it will be up to some of the mentally-independent states, like China or Russia, to change the game eventually.

DSABug, I think that there might be not so much "bubble in", but maybe rather "panic into" precious metals. Which may end up in very very different dynamic, re. popping it. Basically, the very tip might blow off, but the bulk of the final, monster gain, might hold, mid- long term. Effectively, devaluing all other (especially paper) assets against PMs, big big time.

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From Jan 8:
http://www.goldmoney.com/gold-resea...rnment-to-hike-gold-import-tariffs-again.html
 

http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/content/en//mineweb-silver-news?oid=169649&sn=Detail
 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...d-as-gold-lures-deposits-corporate-india.html
 

http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/content/en//mineweb-gold-news?oid=188825&sn=Detail
 
Sounds like they are getting more and more nervous. If gold becomes a defacto currency against the rupee, they have lost.
 
I also think their central bank answers to the powers that be who run Western central banks.
So all the import controls & letting Goldman Sachs create fractional reserve gold products there could also be about trying to reduce the drain of gold from the West.
 
Anybody want take a swing at guessing how much spot gold moves next week because of this?
 
Anybody want take a swing at guessing how much spot gold moves next week because of this?

I don't think the spot (paper futures market) is going to be affected by this. It might have an impact on demand for physical, but it's not clear if it will curb demand as intended or backfire and increase demand.
 
If I understand correctly India is the largest gold consumer and they are trying very hard to dampen that demand. People have a way of ignoring what their government wants them to do, but I would think "traders" would use the information if they can?
 
Point taken. I would presume the people in India are also still going to want to buy gold regardless of what the government does so demand might not change much. If gold spot price is detached from physical demand at least it's still influenced by world news events like Israel bombing Syria. Seems like the coming week might bring some swings because of the middle east heating up (again).
 

More: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-banks-on-gold-sales/articleshow/19905651.cms

They aren't hiding their concerns about public gold buying, that's for sure.
 

More: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...seen-topping-100-tons-for-a-second-month.html
 

http://srsroccoreport.com/indias-ba...ding-houses-only-receiving-10-of-gold-orders/

Side note - nice to see SRSrocco has his own site now.
 

More: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...ump-as-central-bank-curbs-may-cut-supply.html


http://blogs.economictimes.indiatim...vt-rbi-are-again-getting-it-all-wrong-on-gold
 
PLEASE, PLEASE!!! do NOT buy that hideous and expensive metal, it will make your penis fall off!!

Rupees are far, far better.

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http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/content/en//mineweb-fast-news?oid=191656&sn=Detail
 
This will be an interesting experiment for a culture that values gold so much. Your local loan shark will be open for business. :redherring:
 

http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=799277

If they tried to ban sales of physical gold, the country would likely riot.
 

http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/content/en//mineweb-gold-news?oid=192223&sn=Detail
 
I guess they'll have to try to dissuade them a little harder...


http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/20...ds-for-quarterly-record-after-price-drop.html
 

More: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...rts-with-bank-credit/articleshow/20435510.cms
 
All the measures they've tried so far have had very little impact...

Looking at the video Jay posted in the other thread, I can see why. It's like South Africa in that the police are corrupt and are looking for bribes, so it is easy to smuggle. I also think Indians are such entrepreneurial guys not afraid of big risks and hard work. If they have to swim that gold from the sea to city in the sewers they'll do it.
 
My favorite line is from Bernansky saying he doesn't think Gold = Money.

Gold = Asset

What a fucking buffoon!

A limited "asset" on this planet which has been used for centuries as money was just a ruse to get into REAL money like the USD. riiiiiiigggghhhhtttt! :rotflmbo:

So...if I owned all the gold and silver in the world then I'm just holding on to a depreciating asset. Gotcha! :rimshot:

-Q
 
http://www.sprottgroup.com/thoughts/articles/chart-of-the-week-india-declares-war-on-gold/

"The central bank has announced a series of measures over the past month, including restraining lending against gold-backed assets, and restricting gold imports. The hike in gold import duty to 8% this month is the most recent announcement in this drive and doubles the duty that was applied at the beginning of this year.1 The RBI has asked bank trading houses not to import gold on a consignment basis for domestic sales, further insisting on 100% cash margin for letters of credit. The restrictions were invoked after imports soared to 162 tonnes in May from 142 tonnes in April on the back of weak international prices. In their campaign against gold imports the Indian finance minister P. Chidambaram has even urged banks to advise their customers not to invest in gold"

"Gold is synonymous with savings and security for many of India's 1.24 billion people. Only about 36,000 of India's 650,000 villages have a bank branch, which mean the working class hold much of their assets in gold coins and jewelry. Further increasing demand is gold’s cultural significance which makes it essential for weddings and other ceremonies. We suspect that there is very little the RBI can do to supress the consumption of gold and the central bank’s efforts will serve only to push the gold trade underground through smuggling and off-shore trading centres."
 
In return for asking the Indian government to drop the gold import tax back down to 4%, the indian jewelerly federation is banning it's member from selling gold bars or coins (35% of thier business).


http://news.yahoo.com/jewellers-join-governments-campaign-cut-124553983.html

"...82 percent of Indian consumers in a survey said they thought the price of gold would increase or be stable in the next five years."

"Over centuries, Indians have squirreled away at least 20,000 tonnes of gold - more than is stored in the vaults of the U.S. Federal Reserve - in their quest for a safe investment."
 
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