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Any Utahns here at pmbug?
How is it going?
Do Utah coin dealers profit from this?

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Just saw this browsing some news. Colorado is doing the same thing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500395_162-57381340/colo-bill-would-legalize-gold-silver-currency/

 
Utah passed their legislation almost a year ago. Washington State is also considering a similar bill.
 
After living in the pacific northwest for the past 7 year, i'd be surprised if they pass that law. I got out of there because of the "what's yours is mine" attitude that is so prevalent in those states. I'd be very very very surprised if the state of washington actually did the right thing at the expense of potential revenue for the state.
 

More: http://www.nysun.com/editorials/virginia-in-the-vanguard/88184/
 
As a lifelong Virginian, what makes me scratch my head is why I'm hearing this here, instead of the local news. Those guys might as well be operating in secret as far as they mention what's going on around here.
 
The bill is on double secret probation.
 
Bloomberg reporting on the story:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...as-u-s-states-promote-bullion.html?cmpid=yhoo

I don't know what "preliminary approval" means. :shrug:
 
Maybe I'm just not seeing this as clearly as everyone else but what point would this make for daily transactions outside of the point to the federal government?

If you use gold and silver to settle a debt etc., wouldn't you get spot price for the transaction or near abouts?

What would make the difference if you decided to just go to a coin shop and cash out for debts?

I'm not seeing any other distinction here.

Please forgive my ignorance and help a brother out.

-Q
 
It's a symbolic thing at the moment. It might remove some local (state) sales or capital gains taxes on bullion transactions, but it's really about making a statement to FedGov about the dollar (IMO).
 
http://thenewamerican.com/economy/e...legislature-approves-gold-and-silver-as-money

"If the legislation is signed by Gov. Jan Brewer, a Republican, Arizona would become the second state to officially define gold and silver as legal tender."

"Under the Arizona SB 1439 legislation, precious metals would be treated just like debt-based fiat dollars for taxation and regulation purposes. However, unlike fiat dollars, nobody would be forced to accept gold or silver currency."
 
They would in this case. Doesn't pay to talk trash/try to evade. Judges sometimes actually do go with the spirit of the law, and assess intent, even if the law doesn't cover it. Usually, we think of those judges as the good guys...

On the other hand, I've fought them to better than a draw recently - got a ridiculous $2m bill cut to first 100k, then 10k ( for years since 2007), and even got an actual letter of apology from the IRS, which I plan to frame...it's got to be rare and worth "far more than face value". Right now, they are demanding a mere 1.4k...I'll pay, no arguments.

Perhaps that guy didn't have as good a lawyer as I did...but they also probably had some evidence that he was flying close to the wind, so to speak, and encouraging others to take advantage of that "loophole" - intent matters a lot it seems.

In my case, I'd failed to file for what turned out to be perfectly legit reasons - I didn't make any big money, even though a lot "flowed through" - and they went nuts over the flow amount, not the net profit (which was small) because they are the IRS and just didn't "get it".

Another example - Ruby Ridge vs what happened here with the BATF. I didn't talk trash, I just made and used some high explosives in a non-threatening way to do actual good. Once they saw that, no problems at all. They just felt they had to check. Since it began non-threatening (to them), it also ended that way.

Sad that we've reached a world where the default is that "ability equals intent" in a lot of things (the DEA had the assumption that there was nothing legal possible to do with a large chemistry setup for example). I *could* do a heck of a lot of damage - I have the ability. Just not the intent - I happen to prefer a not-broken world - I don't believe in shitting in my nest.
 
Last Monday Arizona lawmakers passed a bill that makes precious metals legal tender. Arizona is the second state after Utah to allow gold coins created by the Fed and private mints to be used as currency.



Video interview on Daily Ticker...

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/arizona-becomes-second-state-approve-gold-silver-legal-131138074.html
 
Arizona bill passed the state Senate:
http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-lawmakers-pass-bill-making-silver-gold-legal-011925729.html
 
Why is a law needed for this?

If I want to trade PMs for something I need, wouldn't that be considered barter, which has always been legal? This is one of the reasons I make sure to include some smaller sizes of rounds and bars, as well as junk silver. In case I need to "spend" silver at some point.
 
These bills essentially remove state level capital gains and sales taxes on transactions involving bullion. It levels the playing field a little bit. Greshams law still applies though as long as Federal legal tender laws remain intact.
 
Texas & Louisiana remove State sales taxes on gold/silver. Surprised I didn't know about this sooner:
http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/content/en/mineweb-political-economy?oid=207023&sn=Detail
 

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/...cle_9d86c9a7-d228-56e0-a26b-7d18fbacb5c2.html
 
"I still had trouble understanding what the advantages of the new law are for state residents..."

Spoken like a true statist retard.
 
Some time ago I read about a Texan university that has gold bullion deposited somewhere.
 
Gold is money just as silver is money. It always has been, and our Constitution says it must be. No other coinage is permitted under the Constitution
 
Today, 5/22/17, is the deadline for Gov Ducey to sign or veto the bill (HB2014). If he does neither, it becomes law automatically.
 
Gold and silver have never been illegal. We should invest in it to protect our savings.
 

https://www.kxly.com/news/idaho-votes-not-to-tax-income-from-silver-and-gold-sales/700591802
 
I'm guessing that Wyoming's challenges to Federal power are going to be quashed, but IMO it's significant as it's a starting point for inertia much like the legal marijuana (or medical marijuana) issue has been playing out State by State.
 
I'm hoping that the 10th Amendment movement keeps gaining momentum and more states "man up" and defy the severely out of touch DC crowd.
 

https://www.moneymetals.com/news/2019/01/30/west-virginia-gold-silver-taxation-001705
 

https://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.c...w-to-start-treating-gold-and-silver-as-money/
 
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