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Apparently this happened a few months back:
... France has announced it’s moving some of its government systems away from Windows towards the open-source operating system Linux, following Denmark and parts of Germany announcing similar departures from Microsoft products earlier this year.

David Amiel, France’s Minister of Public Action and Accounts, said his country must “break free” and “become less reliant on American tools.”

“We can no longer accept that our data, our infrastructure, and our strategic decisions depend on solutions whose rules, pricing, evolution, and risks we do not control,” Amiel said in a statement ...


I wonder what the status of the project is now. Was it just rhetoric, or are they actually changing their computer systems?
 
I wonder what the status of the project is now. Was it just rhetoric, or are they actually changing their computer systems?
They are, but it's not every single computer the gov owns.
....and it's not just France. Germany and a couple others are changing to Linux on some of their systems too.
 
At this point, windows is little more than straight up spyware.
....but if you install it right, you can get rid of all the BS it comes with.

Ie: no TPM, no telemetry, no copilot, no recall, etc etc.
.....and do it with a local account on a PC that isn't supposed to even support win 11.


IMHO, anyone still running stock windows might need their head examined.
 
two and a half million computers?
Ohhh the headaches involved.
Is this over and done? No, they ain't even started.
Sounds like TACO talk to me.
 
Who is Windows spying for?

Themselves, and literally thousands of companies. The vast majority of which you've never heard of.


Turn a Winblows 11 PC on, and with it just sitting there not even logged in, it is sending data to to servers all over Gods creation.
......and they all sell the data to anyone with a few dollars to spend. Including the gov.

That can all be fixed though.
 
Nothing wrong with those computers, that putting a real OS on them won't fix.

Linux. Open source; competing hobbyists, all with different agendas, checking each other, whenever one gets cute with backdoors. NO organized central-control agenda. NO NSA monies to turn a mere operating system into a spy web, feeding data to a Mothership.

Eventually the Linux option will disappear; and that's when I go secular Amish.
 
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The Netherlands is following China, France, and Russia in moving to break the global stranglehold of US tech dominance, it was revealed this week.

The Dutch government was shocked into action after the US remotely disabled the computers of judges in the Hague who criticized Israel leader Benjamin Netanyahu.

The sudden loss of ICC staff’s Outlook email accounts caused significant problems.

The US reserves the right to unilaterally sanction anyone, anywhere in the world--all your Google accounts could disappear in an instant. Bye-bye, gmail.

“The Dutch government is creating its own digital work environment based on the Dutch Linux distribution NixOS,” said Jasper Bakker of news website Tweakers.

The spreading realization: smart countries protect their digital sovereignty.

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HARDWARE, TOO
China is trying to ditch both software and hardware. Beijing in 2019 ordered government offices to switch away from foreign PCs, and fortunately has a great many locally produced computers to fill the gap.

China’s Ministry of State Security this summer told some state-linked organizations to quickly remove a customized version of Windows 10 from their machines, Bloomberg reported in August. Other organizations are set to “clean” their systems of the program by February of 2027.

Russia, France, Germany, Switzerland, Denmark, Italy and Austria are also replacing Microsoft programs with alternatives in various government areas, particularly in military sectors.

In Hong Kong, a number of government departments have already replaced Microsoft Office products with alternatives.

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THE PROBLEM IS THE PUBLIC
But security specialists worldwide note that large-scale switching will be a challenge.

While multiple countries are clearing their governmental systems of dominant US programs, virtually all computers owned by members of the public are filled with it—and few consumers will take the trouble to switch away from Microsoft Office, let alone from the Windows operating system.

Even in China, Microsoft is dominant at consumer level. The Windows program accounted for 87.64% of desktop web traffic in China as recently as July 2026, StatCounter reported.

Fortunately, alternative operating systems like Huawei’s HarmonyOS work well, and are growing in popularity.

Russia has enforced a total ban on Western software for government and military, mandating the use of domestic Astra Linux.

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ALTERNATIVES
As for Europe, the best hope is the rise of easy-install alternatives. These do exist.

- France, like the Netherlands, is opting for changing the operating systems, transitioning 2.5 million civil servants to Linux. They have also been told to ditch MS Teams and use Visio, a local alternative.

- Individual German states are also opting for Linux, and are using Open Document Format and LibreOffice in place of MS Office.

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WEAPONIZATION IS THE ISSUE
The problem is not US software, which works perfectly well. The issue is the way the programs are weaponized.

When the US weaponized GPS against a Chinese ship they (wrongly) suspected of carrying weapons of mass destruction, the world realized they needed an alternative, and now has one: Baidu.

When the US weaponized SWIFT against Russia, the world realized they needed an alternative, and became aware of one: CIPS.

And when the US weaponized Microsoft Outlook against judges in the Netherlands, the Dutch government finally sprang into action. Sometimes you need a shock to get you moving.

 
If the USA can to over there, they can do it here, how do we block this crap?
 
🤖OpenAI just published research showing models found and developed exploits for 948 local privilege escalation (LPE) vulnerabilities in the Linux kernel, spending $1.2M in API credits.

To put this into perspective: the Linux kernel powers almost all cloud infrastructure, Android devices, supercomputers, and modern networking. Linux enforces process isolation. An unprivileged application, like a calculator or a basic utility, is not supposed to read memory, inspect processes, or touch cryptographic keys held by another process or software wallet.

A local privilege escalation simply breaks that security boundary. It allows an unprivileged process to escape its world and gain root control over the entire system (like full access to everything).

OpenAI demonstrated that an automated pipeline can discover nearly a thousand ways to do this in a single campaign. While the research is impressive, it exposes three uncomfortable realities:

1️⃣ Finding bugs is not fixing bugs
LLMs are remarkably good at static analysis, reproduction, and exploit generation. Generating sound patches for complex kernel code is an entirely different challenge. Kernel fixes often introduce performance regressions, subtle race conditions, or fail to address the root architectural variant.

2️⃣ The attack surface remains massive
These 948 exploits targeted only local privilege escalation, and only audited a fraction of the kernel code. They do not account for remote code execution, network stack vulnerabilities, firmware flaws, or supply chain compromises. Finding 1,000 paths to root does not mean the system is secure; it simply means we mapped 1,000 holes in a 40-million-line dam. The density of vulnerabilities in software is extremely higher than anyone thought before 🫠

3️⃣ The defensive economics do not scale
A $1.2M audit run is pocket change for a frontier AI lab or a patient nation-state adversary. But virtually no open-source maintainer, startup, or enterprise can spend millions of dollars per release cycle on tokens just to partially reduce latent vulnerabilities. If defense costs millions of dollars per scan while sophisticated attackers only need to find one unpatched path, the asymmetry favors the attacker.

The real lesson here is that software isolation alone will always fail under automated adversarial pressure. The only durable answer is architectural: minimizing attack surfaces, proving security invariant, enforcing strict hardware roots of trust where secrets live, and building toward cryptographic guarantees that make critical compromises structurally impossible rather than merely expensive.

 
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