October 17th (debt ceiling)

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ancona

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October 17th marks the end of the financial road. If the logjam in Congress cannot be broken by them, Jack Lew stated that there will be no more money at all. The extraordinary measures they have been using [pension cash, etc.] to fund .Gov will be gone and we will officially default. It will be interesting to see who blinks first.
 

I would be suprised if we make it that far.
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I dont think the Soc Sec checks for Oct have posted yet. Tho it is only the 2nd.
 
i will bet all my losses on pm's this last 2 years on hot air from the pols and e$ from the Fed

What other choice do they have ?
 
they always threaten Social Security, ZH got in on it also:

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CBO concluded that one option to 'balance' the solvency of SS required an "Immediately and Permanent" payroll tax increase of 3.4% (Wow!). A year earlier, CBO stated that a payroll tax increase of 1.9% was required to balance SS. The change in the tax increase required is 70% higher than that reported just a year ago!

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I wonder if the WH will use the rapidly deteriorating condition of SS as its "lever" in negotiating with Republicans over the budget and the debt limit.

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-10-02/obama-i-need-lever
 
David Stockman says, "relax y'all. it's all bullshit.":
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...-122234134.html;_ylt=A2KLOzKbt0xSWCAAPjmTmYlQ
 
October SS checks posted. As to November- who knows.
 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...h-and-Credit-Act-House-Republicans-Trump-Card
 
There will still be plenty of money coming into the coffers of the Treasury after Oct 17. They just won't be able to borrow more for a short while. People have the misconception that the country will suddenly be "broke" if Congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling. That's not the case. Treasury (Obama) will just have to prioritize what they pay, and the rest will get IOU's. At the end of the day all those IOU's will be paid. All the furloughed government workers will be paid. This is just a tempest in a tea pot. :rotflmbo:
 
I don't think they'll let a default happen. Though honesly, I've been using the term financial calamity for the last several years to friends and family when the subject comes up. On the news recently I've heard exactly those words. It makes me feel good that I'm within days of being right, even though it's about something as terrible as a default.
 
I dont think they want it just yet.
 
Read this morning where GOP peeps are gaining confidence in their position that not increasing the debt limit won't bring financial armageddon:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/10/07/debt-limit-denial/2937087/

It occurred to me that there is growing evidence that the appetite for Treasuries among foreign investors has chilled[1, 2, 3]. They are increasingly not buying our debt (selling it actually) and this is not related to the current D.C. theater. The Fed, via QE, is the biggest (only?!?) buyer right now [4] and the market for Treasuries might implode if they made any serious effort to make good on their tapering rhetoric (which is why they can't). Realizing this, one could reasonably conclude that it might be a good idea to start reducing the amount of new Treasury bond issuances going forward. It might be the only way to escape the Fed's no win predicament with respect to QE and the dollar.
 

Good thought, but where do you suppose gold is going to end up fitting in this puzzle?
 
Good thought, but where do you suppose gold is going to end up fitting in this puzzle?

U.S. politicians spend more USD than they collect ==> U.S. government borrows more ==> Since no one else is buying treasuries, the FED loads up on more and more treasuries ==> In order to "pay" for them, the FED creates more USD out of thin air ==> This causes inflation ==> The amount of USD need to purchase an ounce of gold increases

:wave:
 
To be clear, my post above was not indicative of what I expect to happen. I fully expect that the debt ceiling will be raised at some point. I really don't see the political will in D.C. to set a hard limit now or in the near future.
 
They announced the SS COLA announcement wont happen on the 15th- due to the shut down.

I also seen park service was taking the handles off of drinking fountains...
 
They even gave us a "deadline"... hysteria.

Scaremongering, then they will lift the debt, making everyone happy: "wow, awesome, we actually managed to have more debt"... forgetting that it's actually the huge debt that's the problem!

I wonder if the EU will also pull a trick similar to this one...
 
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