Well, we did steal the Venezuela oil...
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That was just as wrong.
And that Trump never thought twice, never got another viewpoint in his circle...that, too, tells me of mental impairment.
We're eroding our own moral standing, even as we run out of resources to wage Endless War. Not very smart, is it? You might almost say, it's DEMENTED.
No one stole their oil.
Venezuela is selling more oil now on a monthly basis than they have since before covid times.
They are selling it. It is not being stolen.
If anything, their oil is helping keep your gas prices down, as about half of it is being bought by us.
Would you rather China buy it?
It's not stolen. They get market price for each and every barrel they export.
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Nope
Yep
You can lead a horse to water...?
We basically removed Maduro who the drug lords were controlling. Just like Kim Un... removed the CIA tick that was bleeding him. That's why Maduro did a thumbs up gesture when he got here. Notice NK really is quiet these days??
I suspect he's singing like a bird what he knows about the operation.
That oil is heavy, sour crude. Basically, bunker fuel. Ships, some stationary diesel powerplants.
Our refineries were built around the abundance of light, sweet crude. West Texas, and also fracking and shale oil. Like kerosene, only not refined.
The two cannot be interchanged in the same plant. A new refinery, a new process, has to be set up to turn heavy sulfur-laden crude into distillates (gasoline).
So, the joke's on the Orange Fungus! He stole the oil, but it's the oil we can't use!
Venezuela and it's people are better off without Maduro.
Anyone who doesn't think so, ain't thinkin' about this issue too well.
....and still can use.
Anyone who doesn't think so, ain't thinkin' about this issue too well.
Yep. The very stuff most Texas refineries were built to use.
....and still can use.
Yes, they can both be used.
They are called deep conversion refineries. They can easily switch between the light stuff and the heavy stuff.
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Whatever happen to the gold we took from Venezuela? Have we returned that?
From what I can find, we got $100 million worth of gold after getting Maduro, but we paid for it.
Supposedly, all other Venezuelan gold outside the country is in the UK.
I've been told otherwise.
I'm not a petrochemical engineer (that was my father's gig; but he's long gone) but what I've read is, they are NOT convertible; and changing over is so involved, it's cheaper and more practical to set up a new refinery. A new line alongside the other, if you like, IF you can get permitting to so do it.
I don't have an indication as to who's being truthful; but as a general rule, the blase assurances are usually coming from Narrative-crafting outlets, pushing a viewpoint.
Distilling petroleum into various refined products is not a simple process.
Maybe in the past, but now most refineries can refine both sweet and sour crude.
We haven't built a new full scale refinery since '77.
We stole and Trump gets paid, nothing new here...
How do you define "stole"?
I define it as taking something without permission and not paying for it.
If they sold it to us and we paid fair market price, (same price any other buyer would have paid) how exactly is it stealing?
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That's an overly simplistic way of looking at it. American oil companies paid for the majority of the expertise and infrastructure to get those oil wells up and running well. When Venezuela "elected" a socialist government, the socialists "stole" the oil wells and kicked out our American oil companies.
So, technically, they stole it first. We simply took it back.
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Spoke with an 'oil guy' and he informs me that Texas refineries can NOT refine both crudes without major retooling.
Actually, we stole first by bribes, then they stole it back, then we stole it again...
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If you can believe Fact Check
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I can start a new thread with all these comments RE Venezuelan Oil - this is the political joke thread after all....
Or I can move it to https://www.pmbug.com/threads/venez...y-and-potential-fafo.2830/page-11#post-173437
Explaining Trump’s Claim That Venezuela ‘Stole’ U.S. Oil
Explaining Trump's Claim That Venezuela 'Stole' U.S. Oil - FactCheck.org
President Donald Trump said one reason that the U.S. will “run” Venezuela and “indefinitely” control its oil sales is because "years ago" Venezuela "took our oil away from us" and "stole our assets." That’s an oversimplification of what happened when Venezuela assumed greater control of its...
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I can start a new thread with all these comments RE Venezuelan Oil - this is the political joke thread after all....
Or I can move it to https://www.pmbug.com/threads/venez...y-and-potential-fafo.2830/page-11#post-173437
Socialism only works when there's someone to loot.
Strangely, so does capitalism...
Well he might wanna check into that, as some refineries along the gulf and East coast can in fact do both.
If anything, more refineries can do the heavy stuff than not, as most were built decades ago specifically to use it.
Another way some refiners deal with it is to mix the two kinds together prior to refining.
The whole point in question was whether or not US refineries can use Venezuela's oil.
Our refineries can in fact use it. They were originally built for that kind of oil.
US Gulf refineries ready to run Venezuelan crude
Not true.
If, you've had a good year with your sheep herd...and I don't like sheep-dung, so I play with sticks and branches...and learn how to build a really neat domed hovel, that holds up during winter storms...and I build you a hut, and in return you give me a quartered sheep...you're richer, and I'm eating, too.
Value is created. It always is with productive work.
Socialism, basically, is just theft. What you create, of value, is taken by the tribal leader(s) because they say so. Then given to the slugs and the useless. They learn they need not work. You learn that if you do work, it'll be stolen.
So neither of you do anything. How does that create any value?
The two are the opposite.
Now...do NOT confuse what we have, now, which is what Ayn Rand called a "mixed system"...which is in fact crony corporatism, a precursor to Fascism...don't confuse it with capitalism. We haven't had capitalism for 150 years - not since the government-funded canal and railroad projects. The march has been slow, but only in one direction.
No, crony capitalism might do that but not actual capitalism.
Only problem with capitalism is the gov's thumb on the scales.
Capitalism is the only economic system proven to work.
It has resulted in lifting more people out of poverty than any other economic system ever tried.
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@CiscoKid will get us back on track soon enough. Lol
We just had a side path we needed to go down for a bit. Sorry 4!
Well, I don't vote, either.
My choice doesn't matter, they'll pick who they want. And anyway, they've got their control-points on any candidate who gets that far. AND, nobody has control of the Deep State - not since Dulles created the CIA.
Time for Secession - and liquidation of Washington.
We won't do that with a Dominion voting machine.
My choice doesn't matter, they'll pick who they want. And anyway, they've got their control-points on any candidate who gets that far. AND, nobody has control of the Deep State - not since Dulles created the CIA.
Time for Secession - and liquidation of Washington.
We won't do that with a Dominion voting machine.