Short barreled shotguns

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I bought a 12 gauge coach gun with the idea of shortening it, with no tax stamps needed. Any thoughts on 12 inches or shorter? I should get it from my ffl this wedk.
 
Figures, Palmetto State Amory dropped the price for the shotgun from $329 to $299 this morning...and thanks to congress and Trump, tax stamp is zero.
 
Just as long as the shell doesn't protrude from the end of the barrel yer good to go.
Yah. I'd thought of a homemade Bang Stick - some sort of sleeve for a shotgun shell, set up with a firing mechanism that might be sprung when you press the business-end of this thing against a subject.

Now, a Bang Stick, according to what I'd read...is, or was, a shark-repellent weapon, the same thing. You arm it with a shotgun shell. A shark gets close, you stick the stick in its guts, and it goes off (underwater; I guess that does work, probably from air trapped in the shell) and the shark explodes in gore.

A bang stick on an animal or human target would leave about a four-inch hole of ground meat.

As to the other: Cut a shotgun, go to gaol. You never know when it might be seen - maybe you'll have a cop over for a home burglary. The burglar got some of your stacks, but left your gun. The cop sees your gun and calls the Feds - and their search rules are looser than those of your local PD.

I have the Mossberg pump gun, sold as home-defense...bought it in 2009. After buying it, I had the same thoughts - and measured the barrel. It was one inch longer than Federal minimums - and cutting it would have brought the muzzle too close to the pump/grip. Not worth it.

Something ELSE I learned, in an AR-15 instruction class this weekend...now, keep in mind, there's a lot of variations on the AR-15 theme. A number of makers. I have a pistol-calibre model, the Diamondback 9mm. Another classmate had a short-barrel lighter version, all possible extra weight removed.

As the weapons-expert teacher explained, the short barrel doesn't much change ACCURACY - it's gonna be about the same. What's lost is velocity - and the pressure, as the charge reaches the gas-vent and the barrel, sooner/closer than it would with a standard-length barrel. A long-distance shot would be affected, as it wouldn't have the punch.

Probably the same with a cut shotgun - except that since you're shooting, literally, shot, it's gonna scatter more.
 
That's the thing, no more tax stamps for SBS's , SBR's, and Suppressors, state laws may differ though.
Yes, suppressors (silencers) are legal. Recent federal and legislative changes have significantly relaxed the purchase and registration process for them. [1, 2, 3]

Federal Law Updates
    • Tax Elimination: A federal law reduced the federal tax on suppressors to $0, officially eliminating the $200 tax stamp. [1, 2]
    • Registration Struck Down: A federal court ruled that, because there is no longer a tax associated with them, the National Firearms Act (NFA) registration requirements are unconstitutional. [1, 2]
    • Over-the-Counter Purchases: The Department of Justice allowed this ruling to take effect. As a result, you can now purchase suppressors similarly to how you buy a regular firearm in many areas, without having to submit ATF paperwork or wait for government approval. [1, 2, 3, 4]
 
Figures, Palmetto State Amory dropped the price for the shotgun from $329 to $299 this morning...and thanks to congress and Trump, tax stamp is zero.
Kackles woulda never went for that.

See? Trump's not completely bad, huh?
 
Well, I might be jumping the gun but Trump occasionally finds the nut...
 
You want a Mad Max style sawed off double barrel coach gun?
 
You want a Mad Max style sawed off double barrel coach gun?
My Mossberg, which now has a pistol-grip (right shoulder injuries)...I'd planned to use it that way.

I couldn't hit a large paper target even at 30 feet. I asked about a laser sight for a shotgun...all I got were laughs and snorts.

I tried to learn to fire, with a stock, left-handed. After two accidental discharges (fortunately, alone in a range-box with earthen sides and back) I gave THAT up.

Leveling a coach gun from the waist, and doing away with the bad guys....is the stuff of Hollywood.
 
Mossberg and Remingron both make AOWs which are essentially short barrelled shotguns with raptor grips. Buy one of those and keep the hacksaw away from the one you just bought. The only real advantage of the short barrel is looking like Rambo or being able to load extra rounds with overpriced short shells.

I have a12ga. 16" Turkish AR shotgun with 10 round mags unfired still in the box.i bought it at least 3 or 4 years ago for $200. It's built like a tank and would also make a deadly club.

I also have a single shot 20ga. Winchester which is 60+ years old and is a lot of fun to shoot.
 
... even at 30 feet. ...

I've also got a Mossberg 500 with the Knoxx Spec ops (recoil absorbing) pistol grip stock. I found it super easy to unload the full magazine at paper targets from short range.

I read somewhere once upon a time that most self defense shootings occur at about 10 feet. A long barrel makes hitting short range targets easy.
 
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