swung by the bullet store - ammo availability

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Hopefully .22LR prices and availability will start returning to earth.
 

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went to Wallyworld (for something else). checked out the ammo, NOTHING on the shelf except many, many boxes and brands of 30-06, for 19.95. I have lots of that cal. Then went to local hardware store (for something else). Every cal in stock, at pre-freakout prices, mostly. Shelves of .223, federal at 23.99 a box. No .22 though. Got my sandpaper and went home. :)
I am such a chump. mentioned to my co-worker that the hardware store had .223 at 23.99 a box. He said I'm so sick of them raping the public, it used to be 7.00 a box. So much for my comment "pre-freakout" prices.
 

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I was able to buy ten 325 round bricks of Federal .22LR from our local WalMart for $14+ each last week. Guy at the counter told me there was no limit, but then wouldn't sell me more than 10. Guns are quickly becoming available (there will be some great deals on ARs in the coming months), and I think ammo will follow shortly thereafter.
 

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Guys, I am starting to produce a series of videos on my own reloading techniques and tools.
It's here: http://www.coultersmithing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=720&start=0
You'll want to check this from time to time, so far all I have up is finding, cleaning, separating the brass, but it will eventually be complete, and cover both the cheapest and easiest (not the same) ways to make both plinking/zombie ammo, and match grade stuff. Enjoy!

You don't have to have the money in this that I do - after all, I was doing competition and money-no-object at one point. You can get by with a lot less than I have, and I will be pointing that out in the series where appropriate.

Share and enjoy - and do note any safety tips I put out - they are REAL, they MATTER, and it ain't my fault if you ignore any of them (or any I forgot).
 

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Thanks DCF. This is something that I would like to explore in the not too distant future.
 

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I've recruited some help on this project as of last night - you should soon be seeing Dave Knight (who I hope will also become a member here - he's a great guy) helping out with his own take on the thing. Dave is eminently qualified, and a much better handgun shooter than I on top. He and I teach the CCW course in VA. In fact, we'll be teaching it to the staff of Motherboard magazine in the next couple of weeks - which is what prompted this. They are eager to learn, but noobs from NYC who have no access to this stuff, so I'll be providing the guns and ammo for their course. I figured, if I've got to build up a big batch of ammo for that, why not bring the vid-cam along?

I think it's important to educate media on this topic, and let them meet some real shooters, who are really responsible and level headed about it all - with no political baggage. We might start getting a little better treatment if the "fear of the unknown" is reduced a bit, and they discover first hand that just having a gun doesn't automatically make you Genghis Khan and bulletproof, that hollywood spews utter lies about all this, and so on.

I'm hoping to use the magic of hypertext to allow me to have one thread that just shows the basics you need to do this "at all" - but allow links out to specialized techniques threads for hyper-accuracy and reliability, as well as special purpose load design complete with the "why it works like this".

The idea is that way, we don't clutter the basics up, but allow people to explore at what level they want to work at their own pace. I think this is needed - the info is now spread out into hundreds, if not thousands of publications, all ones you have to pay for, and figure out the synthesis yourself, at present. And in fact, out of those thousands of publications, only a few are really good, so a list of which ones you might want to buy is a real pro-tip and a big money saver, so I'll be adding that as well.

In my experience, shooting is a perishable skill, you have to keep practicing. With the state of ammo supply, along with the costs - we are losing good shooters in the sport. Further, what use is a second amendment if no one has any ammo?

IMO, gun control means hitting your target - and only the intended one, not shooting at all if you can't be very sure of that. Most people, even gun owners (and if what I see on my range is indicative, this includes most cops), can't do that very well. I want to change that.
 

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In Houston they are rationing 9mm and .22 ammo at Academy to one box per customer.
went to Academy in Austin Sunday to get some basketball stuff. They had every cal. except for .22 and .223 Clerk said there might be some .22 at customer service "if there was any left" but I didn't see any. LOTS of 30-30, which I was interested in since I was wondering if I got a 30-30 would I be able to find ammo. Lots of .308, american eagle 19.95 some as high as 44.

didn't buy anything gun related. Bought some carbon arrows. Went to the asian store and Bing got a whole van full of rice and fish, 300 dollars.
 

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In Houston they are rationing 9mm and .22 ammo at Academy to one box per customer.
9mm, .22, .40, .45, .38sp, .357 mag, x39, x54, .223/5.56, and ,.308. 1 box of each up to 3 boxes total per person.

Since this is how Academy decided to best serve their customers, rather than government induced rationing, it is completely their right to do so. And I happen to like this policy since I and others can get at least a little ammo here and there at decent prices rather than none or 3x+ normal pricing for low end stuff.
 

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For those lucky to live in a state that allows gun shows, I recommend attending. I have no problem buying as much ammo as I can carry!
 

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Since this is how Academy decided to best serve their customers, rather than government induced rationing, it is completely their right to do so.
But the government did cause the rationing:
* Indirectly by destroying the economy, striking fear in the people.
* And directly by its constant anti-second-amendment stance, massive ammo purchases and arming itself against its own citizens.
 
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Okay, but what I was getting at was that it was not a mandatory price/quantity control. Academy could have jacked their prices up and sold it all to the first guy in the door or jacket their prices up and still have rationed.

I agree that the govt doing nefarious things, but if the shortage was cuased by some non-governmental action, like a massive natural disaster that took out the supply of ammo making components, Academy would be faced with the same decision to make.
 

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Ammo is starting to become easier to get and the prices are coming back down. Getting 5.56 is still a pain, and it's all over priced, but it's available. Here in Central Florida it can be had for about $0.32 per round, and if you look real hard on-line you can find it for as low as 28 - 30 cents per round. I think the days of $265 per thousand round box are probably over, but at least production seems to be catching up with back-ordered demand. I still have trouble finding .22 LR, which is odd since it isn't a military round or LEO round.

That said, firearms are also making a strong come-back around here, and those prices are falling rapidly as well. I wonder how much prices will overshoot to the downside when all is said and done?
 

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gun show here Sat and Sunday, think I'll try to make this one (I have to work those days).
 

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guy down at the railroad tracks had the back of his pick up full of cases of .223, 500.00 a case.
 

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Well, things are certainly looking up a bit!

Shot shells have pretty much gone back to normal, they even have 500rd cases back out there (right under the tannerite, lol).

The local store is only restricting 9mm and .22, 2 boxes each instead of 1.

There was actually a fair amount of .45 and .40, mostly HPs though.

.223/5.56 is back on the shelves, however the cheapest stuff was $10.00 still. Looks like people don't really want it for that much (I didn't).

Out of the calibers commonly used in semi-automatic, high-capacity magazine fed centerfire rifles, 7.62x39 is by far the easiest to get from what I have seen. Plenty on the shelves and on the net, Russian steel going for $6/box or a little less if you grab a big case.

5.45x39 can be had on the net for a little over $4/box (as part of a case), but I still have never seen any at a store.

I don't remember what the .308 situation was though, never really considered getting a .308.


Like we like to say around here, BTFD!!!
 

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Well, things are certainly looking up a bit!

Shot shells have pretty much gone back to normal, they even have 500rd cases back out there (right under the tannerite, lol).

The local store is only restricting 9mm and .22, 2 boxes each instead of 1.

There was actually a fair amount of .45 and .40, mostly HPs though.

.223/5.56 is back on the shelves, however the cheapest stuff was $10.00 still. Looks like people don't really want it for that much (I didn't).

Out of the calibers commonly used in semi-automatic, high-capacity magazine fed centerfire rifles, 7.62x39 is by far the easiest to get from what I have seen. Plenty on the shelves and on the net, Russian steel going for $6/box or a little less if you grab a big case.

5.45x39 can be had on the net for a little over $4/box (as part of a case), but I still have never seen any at a store.

I don't remember what the .308 situation was though, never really considered getting a .308.


Like we like to say around here, BTFD!!!
I have a .308, it has become my "favorite" gun. We were all going to go shoot night before last but the kids said it was too hot. My buddies dog got bit in the face by a rattlesnake, so it probably wouldn't have been much fun anyway. Dogs ok, just real sick. 4 vials of antivenin
 

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Wally world had a good stack of 40 & 45, a bit of 223 and a few other rifle calibers (no 308) one box of that TULAmmo crap in 9mm. They would still only let me buy 3 boxes though. Got the last 100 round box of Winchester whitebox, then 2 boxes of Federal 50 rnds/box. All FMJ of course. Out the door w/tax for $71.66 so just under 36 cents a round is not bad, at least now days that is. Also, no .22 to be found, heard of, or even rumors of it being available in our lifetimes.
 

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http://ammoseek.com is neat because it shows you the $/round from a multitude of online dealers for any given caliber. Checked it just now and prices are still crazy. .22lr is listing (not sure if that means in stock) for ~$.13 and up per round. Last time I bought several thousand rounds, it was just under $.03 per round.
 
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