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There was a fire and forest firefighters went to the call.

Sniper suspect identified in Idaho firefighter ambush: Live updates​

It was not immediately clear whether the shooter was shot by police or shot himself.​

John BaconMichael LoriaChristopher CannN'dea Yancey-BraggKarissa Waddick
USA TODAY

A firefghter was fighting for his life Monday while authorities in Idaho were trying to determine why a sniper ignited a blaze before ambushing and fatally shooting two responding firefighters.

The sniper was found dead following a shootout with police, Kootenai County Sheriff Bob Norris said. The wounded firefighter was in stable condition late Sunday, Norris said.

The sniper was identified as 20-year-old Wess Roley, a law enforcement official confirmed to USA TODAY.

www.usatoday.com

Suspected Idaho shooter showed 'Nazi tendencies' in school, ex-classmates say: Updates

The suspected sniper was identified as Wess Roley, 20, Kootenai County Sheriff Bob Norris confirmed at a news conference Monday afternoon.
www.usatoday.com





The suspect in the sh00ting that k*lled two Idaho firefighters and injured another is 20-year-old Wess Roley.

- He has a prior arrest for as*ault in 2024. This incident involved him allegedly attacking a woman with a knife, for which he was charged with felony as*ault with a d*adly weapon. He pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of misdemeanor as*ault, receiving a sentence of 180 days in jail with 150 days suspended. He was also ordered to undergo a mental health evaluation and complete anger management classes.

- Roley's social media activity, particularly on X, revealed disturbing content. He posted about his disdain for authority figures, including police and firefighters, and expressed radical views. His posts included threats and general hostility toward society, which raised concerns among those who followed him. Additionally, he was known to have made threats against his family, leading to a no-contact order being issued against him.

I will add to this thread as I discover more info. I will NOT be posting about his family unless it’s a concern and need-to-know for the public.


 
tell me this was legit...

"Somebody" had to tell her what docs to sign



🚨 AUTOPEN PRESIDENCY? BIDEN AIDE ADMITS UNDER OATH SHE SIGNED AS THE PRESIDENT FOR 20 MONTHS

Testifying before House Oversight, former Biden aide Neera Tanden admitted she controlled the president’s autopen from Oct 2021 to May 2023, authorizing documents as Biden during a time when questions about his mental fitness were growing.
 


IDAHO SNIPER: [confidence level: FOG of WAR] There are conflicting reports about the identity of the suspect in the attack on firemen and fire responders. There seems agreement he is a 20-year-old man named Wess Roley. There are reports that he might be from Russia (initially reported as USSR), that he lived in New York and most recently Florida. There are conflicting reports that he is from Phoenix and his family is MAGA. I updated my post to reflect the conflicting reporting - there are a bunch of pictures circulating that purport to be of Roley - I am sharing them here.

Roley, armed with a rifle, started a wildfire and then began shooting at first responders in a northern Idaho mountain community, killing two firefighters and wounding a third during a barrage of gunfire over several hours, authorities said.

Again, I am declaring a confidence level of 'FOG of WAR' meaning it is almost impossible to know what the truth is, so instead of reporting the truth, I am reporting what is being reported. Please take all of it with a grain of salt.

[developing]
 
Hmmm, this story is getting stranger by the minute....



🚨 JUST IN: The suspect in the Idaho firefighter shootlng used a SH0TGUN — NOT a sniper rifIe, per Kootenai County Sheriff

This means he was MUCH closer to the victims than originally thought.

The assailant, Wess Roley, interacted with the firefighter
prior to taking them out.

Roley has previously expressed interest in becoming a firefighter, the Sheriff said.


GROK
Wess Roley was a 20-year-old from a family of arborists, with aspirations to become a forestry firefighter. Born in California, he lived in Arizona and Idaho, graduating high school in Phoenix in 2024. His parents divorced when he was 10, amid a tumultuous family life, including allegations of threats by his father. Roley had five minor law enforcement contacts, like trespassing, but no major criminal record. He was reportedly living out of his vehicle. Unverified social media claims about his personal life, including gender or political affiliations, lack credible evidence. His motives for the Idaho ambush remain unclear.
 
"Groomed"... LOL

'Domestic terrorist groomed by MAGA parents': Idaho shooter Wess Roley's family breaks silence amid massive backlash​

Story by TOI World Desk

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Ohio sniper Wess Roley intentionally started a bushfire to lure firefighters into the woods and killed them before killing himself in an unhinged act the motive of which is not clear to the investigators. Roley's parents, his tumultuous childhood have been blamed for his insanely cruel act, while the political angle emerged as obvious with Roley's parents' MAGA hat photo going viral.

Social media users slammed Roley's parenting and called Wess Roley a domestic terrorist groomed by MAGA parents. Roley's grandfather told CNN that Roley was not a loner and had a loving family and friends. However, court documents of Roley's mother's divorce from his father from 2015 revealed how his father threatened to burn down her house -- eerily similar to what Roley did by burning a huge forest area -- spanning over 25 acres,

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/worl...aks-silence-amid-massive-backlash/ar-AA1HLeha
 
He has a prior arrest for as*ault in 2024. This incident involved him allegedly attacking a woman with a knife, for which he was charged with felony as*ault with a d*adly weapon. He pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of misdemeanor as*ault, receiving a sentence of 180 days in jail with 150 days suspended. He was also ordered to undergo a mental health evaluation and complete anger management classes.- Roley's social media activity, particularly on X, revealed disturbing content. He posted about his disdain for authority figures, including police and firefighters, and expressed radical views. His posts included threats and general hostility toward society, which raised concerns among those who followed him. Additionally, he was known to have made threats against his family, leading to a no-contact order being issued against him.
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So why was this amadan even out on the street ? "180 days in jail with 150 days suspended." ? This is why our country is such a mess. He assaulted a woman with a knife yet got a penalty a 1'st time DUI offender would get and now two FF's are dead.
 


The X post by Pastor Bob Joyce references a video by David Straight, a figure known for spreading conspiracy theories about a "Quantum Financial System" (QFS), which is not recognized by any credible financial institution or government entity. The QFS is often touted in fringe communities as a supposed new financial system that will replace traditional banking, but it lacks empirical evidence or official endorsement.

The video claims the U.S. Treasury failed an audit and is being "taken over," which contrasts sharply with the reality that the Department of Defense, not the Treasury, has consistently failed its audits since 2018 due to the complexity of tracking vast assets, not due to a takeover or conspiracy. This misunderstanding or misrepresentation highlights a common tactic in conspiracy narratives to conflate unrelated events.

David Straight, mentioned in the video, passed away on April 1, 2025, from stage 4 cancer, as noted in his obituary. His theories, including those about the QFS, have been debunked by financial experts and lack scientific or empirical support, yet they persist in certain online communities, illustrating the challenge of misinformation in the digital age.
 

National Health Care Fraud Takedown Results in 324 Defendants Charged in Connection with Over $14.6 Billion in Alleged Fraud​

Largest Justice Department Health Care Fraud Takedown in History
More than Doubles Prior Record of $6 Billion​

The Justice Department today announced the results of its 2025 National Health Care Fraud Takedown, which resulted in criminal charges against 324 defendants, including 96 doctors, nurse practitioners, pharmacists, and other licensed medical professionals, in 50 federal districts and 12 State Attorneys General’s Offices across the United States, for their alleged participation in various health care fraud schemes involving over $14.6 billion in intended loss. The Takedown involved federal and state law enforcement agencies across the country and represents an unprecedented effort to combat health care fraud schemes that exploit patients and taxpayers.

Demonstrating the significant return on investment that results from health care fraud enforcement efforts, the government seized over $245 million in cash, luxury vehicles, cryptocurrency, and other assets as part of the coordinated enforcement efforts. As part of the whole-of-government approach to combating health care fraud announced today, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) also announced that it successfully prevented over $4 billion from being paid in response to false and fraudulent claims and that it suspended or revoked the billing privileges of 205 providers in the months leading up to the Takedown. Civil charges against 20 defendants for $14.2 million in alleged fraud, as well as civil settlements with 106 defendants totaling $34.3 million, were also announced as part of the Takedown.

www.justice.gov

National Health Care Fraud Takedown Results in 324 Defendants Charged in Connection with Over $14.6 Billion in Alleged Fraud

The Justice Department today announced the results of its 2025 National Health Care Fraud Takedown, which resulted in criminal charges against 324 defendants, including 96 doctors, nurse practitioners, pharmacists, and other licensed medical professionals, in 50 federal districts and 12 State...
www.justice.gov www.justice.gov
 

73 Minutes of HATE​

Jul 2, 2025 Doug Casey's Take
Unmasking Public Sentiment: A Deep Dive into Viewer Comments

In this episode, Matt and Doug delve into the zeitgeist and analyze viewer comments from a recent interview Doug had with Kim Iversson. They discuss the polarized public reactions, including accusations of hypocrisy, criticisms on the topic of having children, and various opinions on social and political views. The conversation sheds light on the public's underlying frustrations and sentiments towards subjects ranging from individual responsibility to societal structures. They also explore the intense reactions to Doug's stance on libertarianism, his personal choices, and Matt's advocacy for having children, revealing a broader narrative about the current state of public discourse.


1:13:32

00:00 Introduction and Today's Topic
00:15 Interview with Kim Iversson
02:20 Audience Reactions and Criticisms
03:00 Comments on Libertarianism and Living in Uruguay
04:42 Public Perception and Hostile Comments
05:28 Age of Consent Laws in Uruguay
06:45 Dealing with Negative Feedback
08:40 Personal Responsibility and Economic Views
10:26 Comments on Parenting and Family
16:43 Generational Tensions and Personal Responsibility
41:00 Technological Solutions and Gender Dynamics
41:33 The Influence of a Strong Man42:15 Debunking Generalizations About Women
43:23 Commentary on Viewer Feedback
47:21 Religious and Philosophical Musings
57:07 The Role of Fathers and Parenting
01:07:13 The State of the World and Society
01:11:08 Engaging with the Audience
 

Initial Thoughts On The Big Beautiful Bill​

Jul 4, 2025 Doug Casey's Take
In this episode, we dive into a wide range of topics, starting with the significance of Independence Day. We then discuss the implications of a newly passed bill touching on farming subsidies, defense spending, and industrial policy. The conversation also covers issues like the privatization of the military, the future of Ukraine, short selling, and the concept of chemtrails. Doug also shares his thoughts on international investing, specifically in Bolivia and Japan, while addressing questions from subscribers on various financial and political issues.


55:20

00:00 Introduction and Independence Day Reflections
00:22 The Significance of the Declaration of Independence
01:42 Critique of Modern 4th of July Celebrations
03:01 Discussion on Trump's Big Beautiful Bill
04:20 Farm Subsidies and Agricultural Policies
10:02 Defense Spending and Industrial Policy
17:03 Citizenship by Investment in Sierra Leone
19:08 Opinions on JP Morgan Funds and Short Selling
25:15 Ukraine Conflict and Global Implications
28:40 Chemtrails and Relocation to Paraguay
29:30 Chemtrails and Weather Modification
30:07 Skepticism and Historical Context
31:02 Modern Weather Modification Practices
34:29 NATO and Political Dynamics
37:23 Insights on Writing and Market Analysis
43:18 Farming Analytics and High-Tech Agriculture
46:16 Bolivia's Political and Economic Landscape
48:06 Privatized Military and Eric Prince
50:18 Japan's Economic Moves and Demographic Challenges
54:17 Concluding Remarks and Future Plans
 
Time for a laugh.

'Fat drunken slob': Elon Musk and Steve Bannon are now at war over proposed third party​

Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk is now in a bitter back-and-forth with former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, after the world's richest man announced his intent to follow through on his plan to launch a new third party to compete with Republicans.

According to a Friday report in the Daily Beast, Bannon tore into Musk over his proposed "America Party," which is Musk's chosen name for his new far-right political party. The MAGA podcaster also openly questioned his immigration status (Musk is a naturalized U.S. citizen).

More:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...osed-third-party/ar-AA1I016m?ocid=socialshare
 
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Elon getting a look at how much is really wasted by our bloated government may have been a good thing. He already said they would kill him if he talked about everything he found.
He has the money to start a new system, lets see if he can pull it off.
 

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Exclusive: DOJ, FBI conclude Epstein had no "client list," committed suicide​


Anyone still think Trump isn't compromised?
Ghislane rotting in prison for trafficking underage girls to no one apparently. Jeffrey convicted in Fl but now FBI and DOJ says no evidence of these crimes?
So why did Bondi do the fake dossier press thing back in the beginning and then say the FBI was going through all of these files to protect the identities of the women involved but now there is no evidence these crimes took place?

I think it's safe to conclude that Bondi, Kash and Trump are all compromised.
 
It pisses me off to have to agree. I see no way around it. My last Boy Scout illusions are vapor.

It was not I who had the government tell everyone that there were underage victims they had to protect. That was the reason.

That reason is no longer functioning? All the "To Be Protected" victims are now dead or forgotten about? Where'd they go?
 
And what was Jeffrey sitting in jail for?
Jeffrey Epstein was charged with sex trafficking of minors and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors. These charges involved the abuse and exploitation of underage girls over several years in both New York and Florida.
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Since none of that is true apparently it would appear his family has a wrongful death lawsuit to collect on. Why did they arrest him in the 1st place if they had no evidence?
Correct me if I'm wrong but when he was arrested didn't he say he was going to talk and tell all? Something to that effect.
 

Trump Says He’s Weighing Federal Takeover of Washington, DC​

(Bloomberg) -- President Donald Trump said his administration is weighing whether to take control of the city of Washington, DC, to help combat crime, in a move that would represent a dramatic upheaval to the capital’s half-century of home rule.

“We could run DC. I mean, we’re looking at DC,” Trump said during a cabinet meeting Tuesday, where he was holding court at length in front of cameras. “We’re thinking about doing it, to be honest with you. We want a capital that’s run flawlessly.”

Trump said that his chief of staff, Susie Wiles, is in touch with the mayor of Washington, Muriel Bowser. He did not specify what he meant by the White House potentially running the city.

More:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...of-washington-dc/ar-AA1IddcP?ocid=socialshare
 
Look over here...?

Cigarlover said:

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Exclusive: DOJ, FBI conclude Epstein had no "client list," committed suicide​


Anyone still think Trump isn't compromised?
Ghislane rotting in prison for trafficking underage girls to no one apparently. Jeffrey convicted in Fl but now FBI and DOJ says no evidence of these crimes?
So why did Bondi do the fake dossier press thing back in the beginning and then say the FBI was going through all of these files to protect the identities of the women involved but now there is no evidence these crimes took place?

I think it's safe to conclude that Bondi, Kash and Trump are all compromised.
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Nothing to see, can listen in one tab, play around the forum in a different tab.

The Insidious Implications of the New Epstein Claims​

Jul 9, 2025 Doug Casey's Take
Unveiling the Epstein Case: Corruption, Fear, and Global Politics
In this episode, Doug and the host delve into various pressing topics including the shocking developments in the Epstein case, the implications of governmental corruption, and the fear-driven actions of key figures like Bonino and Patel. They explore potential consequences of these actions on the political and social landscape, drawing parallels to historic scandals like the Dreyfus Affair. The discussion extends to global political maneuvers, such as US support for Israeli defense infrastructure and the conflict in Ukraine. Additionally, the conversation touches on rising global anti-American sentiment, economic prospects, and the potential for civil unrest in the US. The episode concludes with insights on securing a Plan B for troubled times, highlighting the importance of having a contingency plan for personal and financial security.


46:02

00:00 Introduction and Epstein Case Overview
02:01 Fear and Corruption in the Epstein Case
06:45 US Army Corps of Engineers and Israeli Defense
09:47 US Foreign Policy and Military Actions
14:14 Anti-Gringo Sentiment in Mexico
21:07 Citizenship by Investment Programs
24:24 Exploring Brazil: A Personal Update
25:47 Economic Insights: Money Supply and Inflation
27:04 The National Debt Dilemma
27:51 The Case for Defaulting on National Debt
38:45 Trump's Unpredictable Policies
43:30 Plan B Conference and Final Thoughts
 

Missouri governor repeals voter-backed law guaranteeing paid sick leave​

Missouri Gov. Mike Kehoe (R) on Thursday signed legislation repealing a voter-approved law that guaranteed paid sick leave to workers and adjusted the minimum wage to inflation.

The law, Proposition A, had been repeatedly challenged by conservative lawmakers and business groups since it passed by a ballot measure in November with almost 58 percent of the vote, with the state Supreme Court upholding it just days before it went into effect in May.

More:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/m...-paid-sick-leave/ar-AA1IqcBu?ocid=socialshare
 
Not sure what this implies



You missed another big one that the hosts of Fox News covered up like @IngrahamAngle when President Trump said Marco Rubio's name first before @JDVance was his predecessor.

Fox News switched the names around in their reporting.

Under the New World Order Chinese Communism, The Secretary of State becomes a Secretary General and the United Nations will run a Region through the Secretary General's department.

In foreign countries, you know the position as "Prime Minister."

Their plan is to make all Soverign Nations Regions.

Canada will become part of the US as a Region.

The Host Nation of the Region will be in charge of providing universal income to everyone in their Region.

The Host Nations are the Nations with the highest GDP for that Region.

These Trade Deals have an undertone of competition between countries in their Regions to become the Host Nation.

AI and Robots will manufacture and produce almost everything and the companies will pay the Host Nation for the right to produce with robots and those funds is what they plan to distribute as the monies for Universal Income.

When you hear President Trump say that we will not pay anymore taxes it's because the government will collect money from companies and then will issue a credit to a digital currency wallet forcing a government dependancy on the civillians of the world.

Marco Rubio isn't the Secretary of State to return our country to the Rule of Law.

He's in that position to cover up the test run they did, that he was a part of when the UN ran our country through Blinken through our State Department.
 
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