The REAL cost of EV's outed

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Unca Walt

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Regarding EV's --

"Now, not only were the energy experts able to quantify the additional cost over time, but they were also able to put a dollar amount on the real cost of charging the vehicle, translated into price per gallon of gasoline. As you might guess, the price is astronomical, but that’s not the end of it; from an item published by the New York Post:

While EV advocates claim charging costs are equivalent to $1.21-per-gallon gasoline, the real amount is an order of magnitude more.
Including the charging equipment, subsidies from governments and utilities and other frequently excluded expenses, the true cost of charging an EV is equivalent to $17.33-per-gallon gasoline — but the EV owner pays less than 7% of that.
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"So if the E.V. owner pays less than 7% of that massively inflated cost to “fuel” a car, that means more than 93% of the financial burden falls on the taxpayer—as the NY Post authors also write:

This is socialism for the rich: a transfer of costs from higher net-worth individuals to middle- and lower-income taxpayers.
It’s the equivalent of levying taxes and fees on public-transportation users and those who walk or bicycle to work and using the money to reduce the price of gasoline.
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"At this stage, E.V.s, if forced to stand on their own, are an utter failure, and as I noted in my previous blog, bad ideas and inferior products only find security in a “free” market… rigorously controlled by big government fascists. If our market were truly free, an extremely expensive car that can spontaneously combust, only works in a limited temperature range, occasionally malfunctions and locks occupants inside before rolling backwards into bodies of water, and costs $17.33 per “gallon” to “fuel” up, would be dead on arrival—as it should be."

Sauce: https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...ing_1733_a_gallon_of_gas_per_new_report_.html
 
It really depends on where you live and how you use your vehicles. I would say that EV’s are artificially expensive partially because of the government intervention and tax breaks. If our government allowed it, you could get a nice EV vehicle from China for less than $20,000. A 4 x 4 truck for around $25,000.

Solar panels and batteries are getting cheaper and cheaper every day. If they would make a plug-in hybrid pick up truck with a large battery, I would be interested. But what is currently offered doesn’t make sense for me.

If you are a daily commuter who can plug-in at home overnight to charge, and don’t live in a real cold climate, an EV can make sense.

If we would go full on and build nuclear plants, electricity could be cheaper still.

And those safety concerns they always bring up about fires, etc. are overblown. And more and more EV are using different types of batteries than the lithium ion ones that make up the sensationalized press. And those are very safe.
 
Everyone knows that the EVs industry is supported by taxpayer funded subsidies and is not economical without it (right now? technology is improving). The big question is - is it (ie. the end game) worth it? Some folks think of this question in terms of green dreams/climate change/etc. Some consider it in the context of freeing nations from the geopolitical yoke of the oil producing nations (OPEC+). Is there another angle?

I personally am somewhat agnostic on the issue at the moment. I'm not terribly concerned about the green issue, but I do find the geopolitical yoke to be a compelling issue.
 
Funny, but many (most?) EV can kick ass on an ICE car. I took a test drive in a Tesla, and also my brother briefly owned the eMustang. You can’t believe how quickly they accelerate.

And Tesla is coming out with a charging system that will be as quick as filling up a gas tank. The concern about batteries not taking a quick charge because of heat is eliminated by it being liquid cooled.
 
Viking said:
And Tesla is coming out with a charging system that will be as quick as filling up a gas tank. The concern about batteries not taking a quick charge because of heat is eliminated by it being liquid cooled.
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Tesla vehicles have had a liquid cooling system for the battery subsystem since day one, the numerous fires are a result of this cooling system failing. I see a Tesla on fire (or the aftermath) at least once a week here in 'straya.

For a 90kWh battery to be fully charged in five minutes... the amount of power required is 500kW. There isn't a system up to the task anywhere in the US, let alone elsewhere. Now picture a million of these hypothetically all charging at the same time...
 
chieftain said:
Tesla vehicles have had a liquid cooling system for the battery subsystem since day one, the numerous fires are a result of this cooling system failing. I see a Tesla on fire (or the aftermath) at least once a week here in 'straya.

For a 90kWh battery to be fully charged in five minutes... the amount of power required is 500kW. There isn't a system up to the task anywhere in the US, let alone elsewhere. Now picture a million of these hypothetically all charging at the same time...
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I don’t know this specifics, but I was told from somebody in the industry that this liquid cooling product will be something new. And eventually will have solid state batteries and that’ll be a game changer.
 
Viking said:
I don’t know this specifics, but I was told from somebody in the industry that this liquid cooling product will be something new. And eventually will have solid state batteries and that’ll be a game changer.
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Unless they go for some form of phase change cooling (properly expensive), I don't see any other liquid short of a superfluid that would be able to provide the sort of capacity to cool a system able to take in 500kW.

It wouldn't matter what battery technology is used in EV's, the grid as it is not up to the task of keeping the existing EV fleet properly charged, let alone replacing the whole fleet AND implementing 500kW charging.
 
It's somewhat ironic in a way. I remember years ago when @DCFusor was regaling us with his experience of powering/heating his home using his Chevy Volt. Of course, that car did have a gas engine that he could run to generate power.
 
searcher said:
One brave Tesla speaks out..................
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And misses the true point of the Chicago charging problem.
It has nothing to do with needing more charging stations.
It has to do with the tech of the batteries needing to be warmed to a certain temperature before they will accept a charge.
 
glockngold said:
And misses the true point of the Chicago charging problem.
It has nothing to do with needing more charging stations.
It has to do with the tech of the batteries needing to be warmed to a certain temperature before they will accept a charge.
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It's kinda cute how you wrote that in such a way that makes it seem as though you expect green lefties to actually be able to comprehend the info conveyed.

Edited to add:.... Hadn't seen a post of yours in awhile. Good to see ya around!
 
glockngold said:
And misses the true point of the Chicago charging problem.
It has nothing to do with needing more charging stations.
It has to do with the tech of the batteries needing to be warmed to a certain temperature before they will accept a charge.
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Which is not practical for an all-weather transportation appliance.

As sales of these golf carts rise, reality becomes moar and moar undeniable.

And the true plan of the Elites and their controlled government officials, becomes obvious.

YOU VILL HAFF NUFF-INK.

AND YOU VILL LIKE IT.
 
Several years back, I had a conversation with a piece of oil field trash that blew in from out of state & he was telling me the wonders of solar power & battery powered everything & how there would be no pollution. I 1st pointed out most of those batteries are charged via the grid, mainly using coal power. He laughed that off saying they were on there way out & would be gone within the decade as everything would be wind & solar. This was 12-13 years ago now. I just nodded & said "I see". I then pointed out that the mining process, that also uses diesel machinery that do the strip mining are seriously harmful to the environment, not to mention the refinement process. He laughed that off as right wing propaganda & that while it was true that the machines currently doing the work were fossil fuel powered, they also would be electric in a few years. Then I pointed out that while maybe that would be true in warm weather places, batteries don't fare so well at -40 or really much anything under 0 degrees F, a lot even lose some oomph at anything under freezing. He said that was preposterous as the batteries actually perform BETTER the colder the temperature was. I really couldn't contain myself & let out an audible chuckle at that. He told me I would see in a few years. I told him he might want to get on an electric powered plane back to the warm state he was from, cause clearly the cold up here had frozen his brain.
 
They need to start selling cars like they do tents.

Ie: as in how many and which Seasons they're good for. Lol
 

Stranded when it gets Cold⁉️Electric Cars are a NIGHTMARE‼️​

 
Just think how many of these EV fires there will be if the wacko dems finally get their wish of all cars being EV's.

What I wanna know is, how many ICE cars worth of pollution is created by each EV battery fire.

It's gotta be a bunch.

Just look at the thick toxic smoke pouring off those things, sometimes for hours or even days of burning until they can be completely extinguished.
 
Joe King said:
Just think how many of these EV fires there will be if the wacko dems finally get their wish of all cars being EV's.

What I wanna know is, how many ICE cars worth of pollution is created by each EV battery fire.

It's gotta be a bunch.

Just look at the thick toxic smoke pouring off those things, sometimes for hours or even days of burning until they can be completely extinguished.
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It won't matter.

The EV mandate is a stepping-stone to banning private personal transportation.

It's becoming obvious, the cost, the quick degradation/depreciation of the cars, and the risk and insurance costs due to fire hazards, will put this product out of reach of most people, very quickly.

So ICE cars are banned and the EVs not affordable. But it won't matter, with 15-minute prisons cities.
 
Ran across this old post on the twitters:

 
You mean he was alive when pulled out?

I saw that the other day - stuck in bed, had a bad fall, with a leg injury; and I OD'd on Eww Toob and other vids. CFP linked to that hours after it was posted - with security-cam video of the rescuers pulling the body out. Grotesque, and I knew it wouldn't stay up.
 
All this...and I'm getting it from other places, too...all the angst over Li-I batteries, is giving me pause.

No, I don't have a battery car or Chin scooter or powered bicycle.

I DO have a Jackery.

Actually, not a Jackery - a NetZero inverter, I bought as part of my RV camping rig. I used it for over a year with my small Casita fiberglass trailer, and then my much-larger conventional trailer. In the Casita, I kept the inverter inside the trailer, using it or charging it. Wasn't possible with the Winnebago.

BUT...I had a bad road accident, a year ago...exactly one year ago, July 31. Head-on collision, destroyed truck and trailer. I had the inverter in the trailer. The trailer was partly broken off the frame but I could go in to recover what I could; and the inverter had bounced out of its cabinet onto the floor. Not a big drop - the polycarbonate case wasn't damaged.

The thing was several thousand $$$$. I took it with me, with a rental car, going home. Used it since, to test it. In fact I have it here in the apartment, behind my recliner in one corner of the apartment...waiting for the Plannemergency that switches everything off.

Now I'm starting to worry. I've used it four years with no problems - used it lightly, three camping trips, one emergency. Now it's had a fall, I don't know how bad.

MEANTIME...2019...on a motorcycle trip. iHad an iPhone, and iHad it plugged into a charger, rigged to the motorcycle's charging system. It was a Honda ST1300 - Honda's police bike, not unsubstantial, so the charging system, with digital displays and engine controls, was up to it.

But the damm phone lost its face glass. Turned out the battery was swelling. I kept the pieces in the hotel I had before taking it to a repair place - that I had known; I was revisiting former home turf.

And the battery he replaced it with, likewise swelled.

Neither of them caught fire. NOR was I treating them as fire hazards. Nor have I worried about my Li-I inverter burning - until recently. I even had an Li-I battery in a dirtbike I used - no problems with it in three years; sold it, a year ago, but I'm starting to wonder if I dodged another bullet.

Or, how many of those bullets I can dodge.
 
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