The republic won't be restored.

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Cigarlover

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Obama, Hillary and Biden have made sure of that along with the MIC. The endless wars have broken us and the endless amounts of illegal criminals have made sure that we need a huge government presence to counter them. Sure we can do massive deportations but that's gonna cost a lot of money.
Obmas plan to break the US worked. He did it and not a shot was fired. The reality is that any attempt to restore the republic will be met with a civil war. That is the only solution and a huge portion of the US population is going to have to die. It is the only way.

1st of all there is way to much debt. Massive government spending cuts would need to take place. Right now we have to borrow 2 trillion a year just to pay the interest on the debt. So we have about 7 trillion in government spending and roughly 5 trillion in income. So we need 2 trillion in cuts just to be at a point where we break even.

So where do we cut just to get to break even? Cut welfare and we save a trillion a year. Welfare recipients will revolt and we head to a civil war.

Cut the 900 billion in military spending? Plenty of waste there but doing so and once again we get massive layoffs. How many are employed by the weapons industry and MIC overall? Millions. What do you do with all of them?

99% of Government employees work from home if you want to call it work. Over 2 million employees and very few actually work so are probably not needed. Just a massive welfare program. What do you do with all of them?

Social security? Sure we could cut it but the old forkers got nothing to lose so you probably dont want to piss them off.

I'm sure we can find billions in savings but it won't be trillions. Tariffs also won't save us and will in fact drive costs higher until manufacturing can return to the US but that will take a very long time, even if you had the labor force to do the manufacturing and build out the facilities.

As a dictator you could easily make these cuts and deal with the fallout for a promise of a better future. In the US you have to get everything past the congress and no way is that happening.

You could do it with a 20-40 year plan or you could do it with massive cuts right away, go into a depression and probably a civil war and get it over with in 1 or 2 Presidential terms. Not even Trump has balls big enough to do it though.
 
... Sure we can do massive deportations but that's gonna cost a lot of money. ...

Cheaper than housing them and letting them stay.

... Massive government spending cuts would need to take place. ...

We shall see what comes from DOGE.

... What do you do with all of them? ...

On this point, I think what is happening in Argentina is actually instructive. Milei cut government departments and jobs drastically. Tons of government employees got the axe (or chainsaw). They organized protests and tried to shut the country down. Milei enacted some authoritarian measures to crack down on the protests and maintain order. There has been a lot of pain in the country, but the economy is showing signs of renewed life and growing. Jobs are being created. Times are tough, but there is light at the end of the tunnel.

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Trump has not even been inaugurated yet. Biden isn't done trying to boobytrap the landscape. There are many open questions on what policy Trump will champion and how much support he will get from a GOP Congress.

They say that "the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent". I suspect that is true of the government's fiscal situation as well. There is more time to right the ship than anyone has a right to expect. I mean - look at Japan for example.

Even when previous global currencies fell (English Pound, Dutch Guilder, etc.), the countries survived. We'll survive the dethroning of the USD too.
 
On this point, I think what is happening in Argentina is actually instructive. Milei cut government departments and jobs drastically.
I don't think he has a constitution to deal with along with unions and I really like what he's doing. On the other hand, we do have a constitution and many of the things in government are unconstitutional. It is going to be interesting to see how it's handled.
 
I don't think he has a constitution to deal with along with unions ...

Argentina does have a Constitution (based upon ours): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Argentina

Milei has a Legislature to deal with (without majority party support). He did what he could through executive action and then had to fight with their Congress to get as much of his agenda passed as he could. He's been in a dogfight with them.

Argentina's unions make the ones in the USA look like Little League. Milei gets a lot of criticism for the authoritarian measures he enacted to crack down on protests, but they were absolutely necessary to combat the organized unions down there or the whole country would have been paralyzed.
 
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