Venezuela troubles (currency, economy and potential FAFO)

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http://news.yahoo.com/maduro-urges-calm-venezuelans-jam-stores-again-025844506--finance.html

"Tension has hung over much of Venezuela since Maduro last week took control of several electronics retailers he accuses of hiking prices to sow discontent and destabilize his rule. This week the government is expanding its crackdown to businesses selling clothes, shoes and automobiles, all of which have seen prices shoot up in tandem with a sharp drop in Venezuela's bolivar currency on the illegal black market."

"Maduro is also taking his offensive to the Internet, blocking access to seven websites that track the value of the country's bolivar currency on the black market."

 
This is the end for Venezuela. Expect a revolution before too long. Once all those poor people who voted for Maduro are starving and wiping their asses with leaves they will realize that they've finally run out of other peoples money. Their oil industry is in complete collapse and there is no telling how much of the production is being skimmed off by insider cronies. Before Chavez, the country was one of the better off nations of SA, now, they're reverting to banana republic.
 
Saw this this morning:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/11/11/venezuela-seizes-stores/3497003/

Bolded part reminded me of the USA and healthcare. From what I understand, the ACA calls for a board (of bureaucrats, none of whom are doctors) in 2014 that will have complete and total power over deciding which treatments will be provided at what costs.

We're not so different from Venezuela.
 
Thing is, their currency is already devalued in fact, it's just not a fact recognized by the government there - black market exchange rates are showing the "true" market-set value to be a lot less than they claim as is.

So are we looking for their government to acknowledge the actuality, or are we talking further effective devaluation on the black markets only?

Further, it's hard to see how *anyone* would do business with that country with their shenanigans.
If your stuff can just be taken and sold cheap, by force - where does the money come from to restock shelves again? Maybe that one outfit really was gouging - I'm not in a position to know, but with the huge difference between official and actual exchange rates, could it be that they were only gouging under the official rates, but not according to what they actually have to pay for the stock?
I can't tell from here. Were they just "buying votes" with this action, using other people's money as usual in all countries?
 
but did anyone catch- in the article... the money supply went up 70% so that is the inflation rate. How much has the US money supply gone up - SS feels it went up 1.5%.

I think the west is bullying this country and they are fighting back.
 

I think we're much better at fooling ourselves into thinking we are.
 
Well, government wise, we're all pwned by the banks or those who own them, no matter where we are, or which puppet we live under. But at least I have toilet paper and am unlikely to run out anytime soon.

And I don't have a government that insists on exchange rate A when the markets are all using B.
And their government won't do the exchange at their stated rate, that problem is for you to solve, or pay rate B on the market yourself.

So, there's still a little bit of difference.
 

more of the same:
snip:
Ladies and gentlemen, Venezuela has become a socialist police state, compete with government sanctioned looting and riot cops. Watch the video below as Venezuelans line up to pillage a DAKA electronics store (similar to Best Buy) in Caracas.

http://patriotcaller.com/this-is-what-hyperinflation-looks-like-video/
 
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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/venezuela-...rice-gouging-crackdown-010034869--sector.html

"Venezuela's socialist government has arrested more than 100 "bourgeois" businessmen in a crackdown on alleged price-gouging at hundreds of shops and companies since the weekend, President Nicolas Maduro said on Thursday."

"They are barbaric, these capitalist parasites!"

"Since the weekend, soldiers and inspectors have gone into 1,400 shops, taken over operations at an electronics firm and a battery-making company, and rounded up a handful of looters."

"Only a few of the hundreds of shops targeted with surprise inspections had been found to be offering "fair prices," officials say. Some businesses are voluntarily lowering prices - or staying closed - in case the inspectors come."

 
Shit's hitting the fan down in Venezuela. The lord of the flies is flexing his muscles.
 
Shit's hitting the fan down in Venezuela. The lord of the flies is flexing his muscles.

It's a tough job being a bus driver. You get no respect from the limo drivers. Time for payback.
 
Venezuela politicians are causing all kinds of headaches for international businesses, then pitching a fit when those businesses cut back production in Venezuela...
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/toyota-venezuela-slams-brakes-vehicle-175159532.html

"Toyota Motor Corp plans to halt vehicle assembly in Venezuela this week despite a rebuke over the weekend from socialist President Nicolas Maduro and a demand for talks with the Japanese automaker's top executives."

"Like other private businesses in Venezuela, carmakers are complaining that the socialist government's currency controls are preventing them from importing essential products."

"The only thing these little managers want is dollars, dollars and more dollars," Maduro added in a speech.
Businesses want to make a profit, Shocking!?!
:rotflmbo:
 
It's a leftist utopia in action.
 
This idiot Maduro is worse than Chavez. Things will not change until there is no food, no fuel and no more dollars with which to buy essentials. The Bolivar is for all real purposes, dead. No one wants them and no one will accept them in trade.

The collapse will be huge and the change will be brutal. I suspect we'll see some sort of domestic uprising, followed by a major military push to completely crush all protests. It will get ugly, brutal and bloody. Socialists have no desire to speak to the center, only to rule with complete authority.
 
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Some 20 years ago I did some small business with Venezuela, similar to what we are doing in Peru. I sent auto parts to their forwarder in Miami, and then got paid.

I went there twice to meet the manufacturer's rep who was my contact. Once I got paid, I then paid him his commission. Most of the time things went without serious hitches, a couple times I had problems, at least one was caused by me...

In my visits to Caracas, a warm city surrounded by wooded mountains (that the shanty-towns were just starting to grow into), I found I did not like the place. Most of the people I dealt with were incredible snobs! But, the country did function and was fairly free. As long as the paperwork was right, I certainly never had any problems.

Recently, one of my friends introduced me to a Venezuelan national who does NOT like their .gov. But, he does like money. He told us that there would be big $$$ made in supplying spare parts to fleets (gvmt owned), he "knew" the right guys. Take a guess...:

That's right! Nothing ever came of it.

So, what I hear sounds incontrovertible, it sounds absolutely true. Venezuela was screwed-up before, but this clown appears to have even driven out Mighty Toyota...

Venezuela has a long, long and a hard, hard road ahead. Even with their oil wealth, which may, in the end, be stolen (with Maduro's blessing and/or bribe receipts) by China.
 

Two. Days. Later.


More: http://rt.com/news/venezuela-riots-kill-students-827/

 
I really haven't been watching for any news on this since my last post. Just saw this however:
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/08/trapped-in-venezuela-looking-to-get-out.html
 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...s-as-default-specter-raised-andes-credit.html
 
They're not just running out of dollars, they're running out of oil [of all things to run out of]. Apparently their Orinoco heavy crude is so heavy that it requires blending with much lighter oil simply to be transported. Think asphalt here, since that is what extra heavy crude really is. The funny part of that is Venezuela produces their own light oil, but since they have diverted nearly all the money from their oil resources to social programs and the socialist cronies at the top of the food chain, they no longer have viable infrastructure in place to provide for their own needs, so they will be importing oil.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/professors-flee-higher-education-venezuela-040303327.html

"College professors in this socialist country plagued by a cash crunch, shortages and spiraling inflation are abandoning their jobs in droves, unable or unwilling to survive on salaries as minuscule as $30 per month at the widely used black market exchange rate."

"More than 700 of the 4,000 professors who once taught at the highly respected Central University of Venezuela in Caracas have quit during the last four years..."
 
That could be considered a good thing for the political class. The intelligencia are always a fount for dissent.
 
They've been in the abyss. The people just cannot seem to figure out that Maduro is a jackass that has destroyed their infrastructure and oil machine in favor of his crony network and to curry the votes of the poor. All it gets him is runaway inflation and the complete destruction of any semblance of business in that nation. No one outside the nation will do business with them, meaning basic shit like rice and beans cannot be found at any price, much less the "official price".

They are fucked until the next election.
 
Been a while since any updates were posted to this thread, but things have continued to deteriorate in Venezuela. Koos Jansen has been reporting on Venezuelan gold exports:

Now this:


More (incl. dam pics): http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...-maduro-orders-five-day-weekend-public-worker

If the electrical grid goes down, the country could very well implode into chaos.
 
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-strangest-shortage-yet-as-inflation-explodes

Ouch.
 

More: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/05/venezuelas-state-of-emergency/482826/

It's really sad to see people suffer under the yoke of tyranny whether political or economic (or both).
 
Let them print US$
Fixes everything

Let every country print em .......
All the experts agree, it will work ... it must work )-:
 

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...t_grip_on_power_amid_unrest_in_venezuela.html
 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/29/news/economy/venezuela-decree-farm-labor/
 
Well this is obviously a big mistake. See here the Venezuelan leaders sporting expensive jewelry and clothing. So obviously in a socialist utopia like Venezuela everyone is equal so I guess everyone must have $30K watches right? Or is it that maybe some are MORE equal than others?
 
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/695662/venezuela-food-queues-soldier-delete-video
 
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