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Old 11-26-2011, 06:51 PM   #1
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Any good quality safe is designed to be bolted to the floor. A heavy, fireproof safe bolted to the concrete floor in your basement is about as good as you can do (for those who have basements).

I can't speak from experience, but from looking at safes I think that http://www.brownsafe.com/ and http://www.graffundersafes.com/ are the best out there. Just from an engineer with an internet connection.

BTW, for the Brown safes, they do a lot of custom/designer type of work, but they do make plain-jane models that don't have all the exotic wood trim and such. Clearly one of their customers reads PMbug.com (see pics 28 & 29) http://www.brownsafe.com/gallery/Gem...m_Gallery.html
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Old 11-27-2011, 02:32 AM   #2
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thx very helpful info.
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Old 11-27-2011, 09:37 PM   #3
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Those pictures are surely heart-warming. Nice!
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Other than boat storage

http://www.321gold.com/editorials/la...rde120212.html

For those that do not yet have a boat to store you valuables, the above is a decent article on home safes.

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Old 12-04-2012, 08:16 AM   #5
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You could also go the hidden safe route....
http://www.krem.com/news/local/Spoka...181110691.html
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Mos def, tnx for the great info, im thinkin to buy one of brown safes, what do you think better, brown or amsec? (im talking about floor safe) I know amsec have some good safes, im not sure which better...

Im thinking of getting this one for my business:

http://www.usadiscountsafes.com/home/33-amsec-tubular-floor-safe-c3.html
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Sorry...

Heres the link to the safe: http://www.usadiscountsafes.com/home...r-safe-c3.html
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Can you tell me if its a good price as well? thats the cheaper I found...
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hey I read a thing the other day, if you do bolt a safe to the floor (concrete) do it against a wall and bolt it there also so it can't be rocked.
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and this is another great website, there is a great variety of safes' types and sizes
www.safes-fireproof.com

you make your decision according to the storage size that you need and the place you have to put the safe secure.

wishing you good luck
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@Jay, I think these ideas are useful, but the better is if you can cut into a wall to provide suitable place for the safe to hide, and then conceal it simply be a drawing or something.

you may also lock it inside a special slot in a closet, of course if it's a small safe.

about hiding it under the flooring, it's amazing, and this is done much easier if the house is still underconstruction.
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LOL at the "inventor", who "invented" that the best possible hiding spot for a safe is a SOFA. One of the first places where burglars would check for hidden stuff
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@bushi
I like the quotation in your reply "... the issue which, etc, is the People versus the Banks"
sounds like the most suitable thing to say thinking about banking issues in Cyprus, it's really freaking me out.
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At a recent gun show I saw a cool idea for storing stuff in let us say, unconventional locations. It is a simple contraption consisting of a 6" or 8" piece of PVC cut down to 4' length and bushed on both ends. One end is simply a screw on cap and the other is a 'clean-out' plug. They used 3/8" nylon stranded rope to weave a nice sling on to it and then on the clean-out end, they screwed in an eye hook to which a chain was fastened. The chain was then screwed to the side of the bushing so as not to penetrate the pipe interior. All in all pretty cool if you ask me, and the damn thing can be buried for years without leaking.
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Yes, especially if you live in a place like I do, the PVC/burial thing is tops. No one can steal what they don't even know to look for (OPSEC!). Yet you can find it later with a metal detector, even if the vegetation has changed a bit. You wouldn't do this in some dense suburbia, since you'd be noticed out there with your shovel at one end or the other of the process.

Now, I have some other options too - I have a few buildings here, and have had the experience of being full-searched (for drugs), and found out where they do and don't look. So there's a bit of "heavy metal" of various sorts here and there in places no one looks (think behind junk in a storage building, inside walls...attic..behind cobwebs so it looks like no one's touched it in a long time (the actual case). And those cobwebs or mouse poop let me know it's still there without having to check, a variant on the old trade-craft of hanging a hair across a door-jamb or dresser drawer to see if it's been opened since.

Interestingly, I had this same idea (I believe it was discussed here somewhat earlier too). I've got stock of the pipe etc, but I didn't want to get into my lab prototyping stuff, so I went to Lowes right about when the fear about Obama and guns had made it hard to get either guns (prices sky high) or ammo, to buy some more to make a few of these. Guess what? They were out of stock, totally.
(I had to go to a local but not well known PVC pipe wholesaler to get mine.)

So I ask the Lowes floor-walker guy what's up. He sez that for "some strange reason" a ton of people had been in there the last few days buying it all up, and they hadn't gotten restocked yet. He thought it a little strange that people were buying pipes, caps, glue - and no other fittings, like a plumber would be doing.

It's nice to know you've got company.

The big safe thing just doesn't get it for me, personally. I keep a few guns around where they don't show, but I know where they are - ready (and which are loaded - I don't have kids to worry about). And a tiny amount of PMs, kind of a bug-out amount, an amount I could lose and it not be the end of the world (but which might satisfy a thief such that they stopped looking). Lots of people around here have those big safes for guns, some bolted, some not. There have been attempts to steal them - it's advertising you've got something that needs a safe, after all.

They do tend to work against the stupid...there was a case 3 years ago where someone couldn't crack the safe (obviously they didn't read the MIT paper that shows how to do it easily) - so they tried to steal the entire thing. It was found in the front yard - with an *arm* under it...and a blood trail.
Weight and gravity appear to beat stupid.

On the other hand, a safe is no good against the .gov, or what we in the security biz used to call "rubber hose crypto". You think you wouldn't give up the combo under torture, or threat of the death of your family? Get real.
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Originally Posted by ancona View Post:
At a recent gun show I saw a cool idea for storing stuff in let us say, unconventional locations. It is a simple contraption consisting of a 6" or 8" piece of PVC cut down to 4' length and bushed on both ends. One end is simply a screw on cap and the other is a 'clean-out' plug. They used 3/8" nylon stranded rope to weave a nice sling on to it and then on the clean-out end, they screwed in an eye hook to which a chain was fastened. The chain was then screwed to the side of the bushing so as not to penetrate the pipe interior. All in all pretty cool if you ask me, and the damn thing can be buried for years without leaking.
seems like twenty dollars made me three of them, but now I can't even remember...
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At a recent gun show I saw a cool idea for storing stuff in let us say, unconventional locations. It is a simple contraption consisting of a 6" or 8" piece of PVC cut down to 4' length and bushed on both ends. One end is simply a screw on cap and the other is a 'clean-out' plug. They used 3/8" nylon stranded rope to weave a nice sling on to it and then on the clean-out end, they screwed in an eye hook to which a chain was fastened. The chain was then screwed to the side of the bushing so as not to penetrate the pipe interior. All in all pretty cool if you ask me, and the damn thing can be buried for years without leaking.
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Jim/Jay/DC,
I figure the best place is right along the fence row, next to an actual 4 X 4 post. Bury them vertically so they leave a much smaller footprint. I would even say to cut them longer and place a grocery bag full of sand on the top to create a block between the metal and whatever metal detecting device may or may not be used at some point to find it.
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ancona, I like your thought, and as BigJim says, you have to remember. When I can't do that any more, does it matter? I guess that depends on the terrain you're dealing with - near my fences (what little I have) or border doesn't appeal to me personally. I've got better spots.
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I would rather bury the goods in my back yard!

The safes are "good" for those who have a fortune to spend on them... plus: some safes do break, what if you can't open them?

As for "good thieves" - as soon as they come across a safe they can find a way to open it...

If someone can buy a big wall safe like that... they can buy 12.7 kg gold bars as well!

As for the bookshelf safes... gives me the creeps: what if I keep a party and one of the guests starts looking at my books, "hey, what's that" and picks up the phony book safe?

I'd say bury them in your garden or don't even keep them in your house!

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