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Full report: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/commodities/8858493/Central-banks-top-up-gold-reserves.html
 
Bolivia has more gold than Peru! Bummer!

Actually, about a year I was in Peru and read an article in one of their papers that wondered WHERE Peru's gold was... Nobody had done an audit, the Peruvian .gov wasn't saying, etc. Sounds like the USA and Ft. Knox!
 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/centr...red-purchases-206-tons-through-september-2011
 
Czech Republic? What the hell were they thinking.
 
You can tell that they are not really "Czech" brothers because they are not drinking Pilsner Urquell. Hey just an old photo interpreter observing this...
 
News from the Financial Times via ZH:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/china...er-gold-price-drop-imports-record-amount-gold

How do you say "tradition" in Chinese?

 
The Chinese basically dumped treasuries and replaced them with metals. Screw the CDS market, china doesn't want counter part risk.
 

More: http://www.bullionstreet.com/news/india-all-set-to-break-1000-ton-mark-in-gold-imports/104

A significant portion of India's demand is for jewelry, not necessarily central bank or investment demand.
 

http://www.morningstar.com/advisor/...bank-aims-to-buy-100-tons-of-gold-in-2011.htm
 

More: http://www.goldcore.com/goldcore_bl...y-adds-195-tonnes-gold-reserves-october-alone
 
Bug,

Also,A significant portion of India's demand is for jewelry, not necessarily central bank or investment demand.

That is rapidly changing, their people are switching to bars.

Also,I am sure most here know China & India alone account for 38% of TOTAL Gold purchases worldwide.India,and China are also now sucking up Silver at a ferocious pace.

The vast export of Chinese silver exports do not come from THEIR mines,it comes from tailings shipped in from overseas by the untold tons (that are SO toxic) no other nations will allow their people to extract it.
This is due to the chemicals needed to do so.

The Chinese .gub,are oblivious to losing their citizens, in the process.
 
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Bug,

Also,A significant portion of India's demand is for jewelry, not necessarily central bank or investment demand.
Jewelry and investments are not entirely separate. In many cultures the wife's jewelry is their savings.
 
^^ Brings whole new perspective to the term gold digger. "Don't divorce me babe".
 
Chinese govt advise gold buying - why? What is their plan?

They are apparently scared of the people getting cross with them when their paper savings goes down the plughole with all other fiats.

At odds with those cuddly, people friendly, Western Gov's then .....
 
They are apparently scared of the people getting cross with them when their paper savings goes down the plughole with all other fiats.

At odds with those cuddly, people friendly, Western Gov's then .....
If the Chinese leadership is encouraging PM investments in order to avoid social unrest in their country then they are wiser than I had ever imagined. Now if we could get HR 1098 passed maybe we would have the chance to avoid that same unrest.
 
If the Chinese leadership is encouraging PM investments in order to avoid social unrest in their country then they are wiser than I had ever imagined. Now if we could get HR 1098 passed maybe we would have the chance to avoid that same unrest.

Its also a smart way to build your countrys total gold holding.

In the event of a worldwide relaunch of currencies with gold backing, its probably less important who holds the gold as long as its within your country.

Ok theres a new class of wealthy but when was that ever a problem for Govs ?

The new rich will be happy to spend it and create economic activity.
 
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/bank-...massive-nearly-1-billion-or-39-november-alone

 
I just saw Derek´s above post, and so I cross-post the below from another pmbug thread:



Zero Hedger ¨Smiddywesson¨ today had some interesting comments about gold (in the Korean Central Bank buying gold thread).

He says that perhaps the reason they have not done an audit of Ft. Knox and/or the Fed is that maybe we have MORE gold than claimed!

I have found Smiddywesson to be a very knowledgeable commentator there at ZH, take a look at that thread:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/bank-...-billion-or-39-november-alone#comment-1938154
 

http://gata.org/node/10815

I wonder how much of that supposed buying is actual physical gold and how much is paper claims to gold.
 
this was first brought to my attention on Turds site, it is extremely interesting -

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny

it actually made mainstream press briefly before it all got ignored to death.

Most of you will probably run a mile from David Wilcock's site and put Benjamin Fulford in the same category.

I use dowsing to ascertain relevance / truthfulness / integrity of such people and the information they appear to have access to.

Fulford asserts that there are large amounts of gold that are not 'recognised' by the controllers. Dowsing seems to confirm this.

Now my question is, what impact does the admission of these large quantities of gold have on the value of what we hold as individuals, in the event of paper becoming worthless ?
 
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The Chinese basically dumped treasuries and replaced them with metals. Screw the CDS market, china doesn't want counter part risk.

The Chinese govt. holds about 1.5 trilion dollars in US treasuries and bonds; only 37.2 million oz of gold. They buy a little a time. But they are far, faar, faaar away from dumping treasuries. Can you imagine the price of gold if they were to park 1.5 trillion dollars into gold? there is no guide book to evaluate the impact for that amount of sudden influx. i say gold would be 30,000 dollars/oz if that were to happen. but its just a guess/gut feeling.

if the price of 30k/oz seems unrealistic, please consider also what impact the SALE of 1.5 trillion worth of treasuries will have on the value of the dollar.

:wave:
 
I believe the Chinese are surreptitiously buying not only gold, but silver. There is no way that a population exceeding a billion persons, whose government is encouraging them to buy gold and silver, have not accumulated an enormous quantity of metal. Put another way, the Communist Chinese are smarter than anyone really gives them credit for. Who is to say that they are not currently encouraging their people to buy up precious metals, an ounce at a time, only to make ownership illegal, and demand everyone 'turn in' their illegal metals during some pre-defined 'grace period'.

It has happened before, and if it happens in China, we could find out all of a sudden, that China has secretly acquired thousands and thousands of tons of metal.

Remember, while the U.S.A. only looks at things through the next election cycle, the Chinese plan for the next hundred years. I secretly fear that the next world hegemon will be China.
 
http://gata.org/node/10815

I wonder how much of that supposed buying is actual physical gold and how much is paper claims to gold.

This is something that I wonder quite often, and would love to learn more about.

For example, when a country buys large quantities of gold, such as 100k ounces or 1M ounces, do they really have many options on where to buy said gold?

One place of course is the IMF central banks, but certainly that would be only a paper receipt for a claim on the gold. Are there really ANY other sources where an entity can buy 1M+ oz of gold, especially in physical form?
 
90% of Dutch Gold Reserve Is Held Abroad
Article includes Dutch TV interview with Jim Rickards
http://www.marketupdate.nl/nieuws/valutacrisis/90-of-dutch-gold-reserve-is-held-abroad/
http://www.marketupdate.nl/nieuws/v...-nederlandse-goudreserve-in-de-kluis-van-dnb/
 
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The Central Bank of DoChenRollingBearing (CBoDCRB) announces that it has 0 (zero) ounces of its gold held abroad by foreign Central Banks and similar.

The CBoDCRB also announces that it will be joining its brethren Central Banks in buying more gold.

The CBoDCRB also clarified that it will not be buying Sovereign Debt of other countries. The only foreign currency in the CBoDCRB is a single 500 Euro banknote.
 
Ok Ben Fulford seems like a wingnut but his assertion that the monsters from Jeykell Island only 'counted' the gold of those who were prepared to play by their rules, is worthy of consideration.

He claims that there are several large gold deposits that exist but are not 'acknowledged' by the powerz and goes on to list some of them and their historic sources.

Sooooo, if theres any truth in this claim then it certainly changes things if any 'reset' and new gold backed currency is launched, cos the holders of any such gold would likely want at least some of it 'counted' so they could finally benefit from the legacy.

Just saying, cos the central banks could already be tapping into such sources and when the time comes to 'show da world wot u got' we might just need a few more swimming pools to store it all in.

Or am i wrong in thinking a worldwide audit of all gold ( used as backing) has to occur if a new gold backed currency is launched ?
 
A little late to the thread, but I just have to comment Re: They store most of it abroad so that if the central bank wants to sell some, they don't have to ship it......................WTF??

What the hell is so hard about sending one of your warships to the port, and having a contingent of soldiers armed with .556 select fire carbines and a squad of snipers along the route armed with 338 LaPua's to pick off anyone stupid enough to even think about stealing the gold. Aren't those soldiers getting paid anyway? I mean really, if they're in the barracks shooting craps in the laundry room or on a security detail......where exactly is the additional cost? Does your warship not patrol the seas anyway, thereby consuming fuel?

I find the "transportation" argument to be a complete canard. No, I believe they hold a shitload abroad because of very old promises, backed by their reserves, as would have happenned directly after WWII.
 
not even a floating gold standard, per FOFOA ?

I doubt it very much. With the debt levels we have today which govt will risk its meager gold reserves? Gold will just be lost and it would be impossible for any govt to pay its debts in gold. Imagine the interest rates in gold they will have to pay, why all their gold will slip through their fingers. And they will need austerity measures that would make Margaret Thatcher look like a spendthrift keynesian on steroids.

http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock global debts are so big they can only be serviced through inflation, not through even a hybrid gold standard. While i am a gold and silver bug, i believe the days of a precious metal standard, pure or hybrid are gone. At least for this generation.

But what do i know, im not a prophet and my crystal ball has cracked. heheeh
 
Silvergug

I agree it is impossible to use a floating gold standard to cover all the worlds debt.

I see some kind of reset that cancels most of the debt ( theft by banksters) as inevitable, based on the immortal 'if it cant continue, it wont' thinking.

Any future means of exchange will demand something tangible to back it as, even with limited attention span and memory, enough will realise paper is not the answer.
 
Well here is my take on FOFOA, gold standard, etc.

His prediction (and he says it is almost inevitable) is that the 100x paper gold claims on each physical ounce (and maybe other things could happen too) will at some point "break" paper gold, which means that "paper gold" may very well go WAY down (as paper gold becomes worth less or even "worthless"), while physical gold goes into hiding... Until the markets settle down, and we will find that physical gold will only be available at a price of $55,000 (FOFOA even gives a 2 standard deviation range: $25,000 - $85,000).

At $25,000, that would make the FED's gold (currently valued at $11 bn @ $42.22 / oz) worth a cool $595 bn. Also, if Ft. Knox (etc. storage of US gold) has the 8000 tons, that number works out to a similar $440 bn.

Double those numbers if we go to 55k.

FOFOA believes that hyperinflation is ALMOST inevitable as well.

He DOES NOT back a gold standard! Too inflexible, and it would likely get abused anyway (fractional bullion banking).

It is impossible for me to summarize his logic, it is too big a topic, his Freegold idea. You will have to tackle the subject on its own at his blog:

fofoa.blogspot.com

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Also, note how Greece (and Italy, or even the USA) have very mum about using their gold to pay down their debts. Why? Because they do not feel that current price is actually the true value of their gold!

In fact, I have not seen EVEN ONE .gov entity anywhere offer to settle their debts in gold! That means something... I think that means that gold will go WAY UP!
 
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-27/markets/30560564_1_gold-price-assets-reserves

Chinese Central Banker Declares That 'Gold Is The Only Safe Haven Left'

China is making an even bigger move toward gold in reaction to money printing around the world (via @JamesGRickards).
People's Bank of China official Zhang Jianhua declared yesterday: "No asset is safe now. The only choice to hedge risks is to hold hard currency - gold."
Zhang, the bank's research director, recommended buying the dips: "The Chinese government should not only be cautious of the imported risk caused by rising global inflation, but also further optimize its foreign-exchange portfolio and purchase gold assets when the gold price shows a favorable fluctuation."
 
China, who plan for the next hundred years, instead of for the next election cycle, has always been a step ahead of us. While they subjugate their people and do unspeakable things to prisoners, their financial model is to be envied. They have amassed the largest war chest in the history of modern man, and are using it to buy up the natural resources of the world, instead of using it to wage perpetual war for the extreme profit of the few.

Something to think about. Perhaps......they're right?
 
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