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Civil asset forfeiture is a nuclear weapon of tyranny. If the Eye of Sauron targets you, they can destroy you. Get too uppity with your speech, politics, etc.? Piss off the police? Lose your house(s). Lose your car(s). Sure you can spend a few years making some lawyers bank in an attempt to fight the Brazil style bureaucracy, but you will probably need to sell whatever you recover to pay for the effort.

Maybe there is hope for the future:
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8792623/civil-forfeiture-charles-clarke
 

More (incl. list of co-sponsors): https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/540

Senate version: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/255

You'd think such legislation would be a no-brainer. Feel free to contact your Rep & Senators and ask them to support this legislation.
 

http://www.news9.com/story/32168555...e-money-used-during-the-commission-of-a-crime

This news report has been edited/updated. The original report (as quoted in another forum where I found it) stated:
Not sure if the edit was to stem a panic or because the ERAD can't steal from regular credit/debit cards.

 
I haven't updated this thread in a while...

SCOTUS ruling expected this session:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/keeping-cops-hands-out-of-your-pockets/

This is from 2014, but I only recently saw it:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...141703bbf6f_story.html?utm_term=.64631265b354

Some good news:
https://reason.com/blog/2018/09/18/philadelphia-will-dismantle-its-asset-fo

It seems that "guilty until proven innocent" legalized theft of private property has spread to the UK:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/10/uk/uk-wealth-order-hajiyeva-intl/index.html
 
Yeah good old blighty ......... never too far behind our masters

Hope they dont try and confiscate my diggers and dumpers cos I dont have a lot of paperwork for them (-:
 
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I have always thought this was some seriously bad shit. I have read about casino winners routinely being robbed by State Patrols who have been given tip offs from casino security. They then pull over unsuspecting drivers who are searched for some made up reason, the cash is then found and they are accused of selling drugs. They beat the drug charges but the cops keep the cash. What kind of bullshit is that? There is a stretch of highway in Tennessee that is famous for that. A man who sold his restaurant had all the cash taken from him and spent three years in court fighting to get it back. Three years.

This needs to be taken to the Supreme Court.
 
I definitely think it's overused & abused, but that's not to say in certain cases it isn't a good idea. When you catch a car loaded with a 100 pounds of meth, they should be able to take the car & everything else in it. When parents are passed out in a car from OD'ing on heroin with the kids in the back seat, they need to lose the car and the kids. Clearly there are cases where they taking stuff that doesn't fit. I also think that's one of the reasons that L.E. & govt. agencies fight like mad to not allow recreational marijuana & even medical marijuana. In my state we passed medical marijuana 2 years ago w/ a 2/3 majority & just now the govt. is trying to get it going cause they are afraid that people upset that they drug their feet on medical marijuana will vote for recreational marijuana. We've had officials in the govt. & L.E. campaigning while on duty against it (measere #3). They took out ads in the paper against it using govt. funds. Cops have been seen stealing pro measure #3 signs. They have made commercials that blatantly lie about what this bill will do & how it will basically turn N.D. into the film "Reefer Madness" if it's passed. The only reason they are so against it is they will lose a bunch of revenue from fines, property seizures, etc. They don't seem to realize the tax they put on it will almost certainly be more than what they lose from the others, not to mention all the other drugs that will still be illegal & then they can play their little seizure game & impose fines & fees still.
 

More: https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2018/10/28/commentary-civil/
 
Ideally, this CAF gets neutered at the Federal level, but until that time, individual states are leading the way. Except, apparently, for Michigan...
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/o...t-follow-house-civil-asset-reform/1902400002/
 
SCOTUS hears oral arguments in Timbs Vs. Indiana in two days (Wednesday):

https://reason.com/volokh/2018/11/25/this-week-supreme-court-will-hear-an-imp

Ever since their ruling on eminent domain in the early-mid 2000's I haven't had much faith with them in that dept. They ruled that land could be taken by a business to build a store on if it was in or even near a prime retail area. Now I begrudgingly accept the fact that sometimes private property must be purchased from an otherwise unwilling seller when it represents the national interest, but for a company to be able to take land because of its profit making potential, even if it is in or near a prime retail area is complete B.S. IMO. I was surprised back then that Scalia voted for that too. As for the libs on the bench then, I was kind of surprised they would side with big business, but then again, it's a move to take power away from the individual, so I guess that's what they were looking at. :doodoo: :judge:
 
SCOTUS vexes me so hard. I was so elated and surprised at the McDonald vs. Chicago ruling. And so very disappointed in the "Obamacare individual mandate is a tax" decision. SCOTUS gets some right and some wrong.

In reality though, the entire premise of civil asset forfeiture (CAF) flies in the face of the 5th amendment to the Constitution which proclaims that:
No person ... (shall) be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; ...

Govco claims the actions are litigated against the property, not the property owner, but it's nonsense. They are still depriving people of their property without due process.

The Timbs case is about CAF vs. the 8th amendment, and while it might help curb some of the excessive abuses, it won't stop the majority of "legal theft" that is occurring as most seizures are $1,000 or less last I saw - below the threshold where property owners can fight the process and come out with heads above water (ie. it costs more to fight through the courts than what they will recover if they prevail, so most don't bother).
 
It appears that SCOTUS is inclined to vote correctly on the Timbs case:
More: http://reason.com/volokh/2018/11/28/todays-supreme-court-oral-argument-in-ti
 

https://reason.com/blog/2018/12/04/neil-gorsuch-civil-asset-forfeiture-and

If I'm reading that right, even though the Timbs case appears to be about the application of the 8th amendment (excessive fines), there is a meta issue regarding incorporation of the 8th via the 14th which could open the door to arguments that CAF violates due process entirely. I hope I understood that correctly.
 
I watched a bit of cable news at lunch today. I heard several mentions that the Trump admin is considering tapping CAF funds to build a border wall. Pandora's box...


https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-...can-trump-administration-use-asset-forfeiture
 
Interesting concept using CAF to build the wall, but I like the idea of using El Chapo's dough better. It sends a message to the cartels that we aren't fucking around.
 
Ideally CAF thats been taken from the narco trade
Seems like a great solution

Or spending it on facilities to help those addicted and wanting to get clean

Kinda linking a form of redress to the crime ..........
 
That second link you posted is dynamite. Thanks.
 

http://reason.com/blog/2019/02/20/using-asset-forfeiture-to-quelch-speech

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SCOTUS ruled on Timbs vs. Indiana:
Supreme Court Delivers Unanimous Victory for Asset Forfeiture Challenge

The Eighth Amendment prohibition against excessive fines and fees applies to states as well, SCOTUS rules, opening a new way to challenge outlandish forfeitures.
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http://reason.com/blog/2019/02/20/supreme-court-delivers-unanimous-victory
 
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If they start getting their dick's knocked in the dirt over civil forfeiture, how long until you see a huge swing in the stance on recreational marijuana by L.E., govt's especially smaller local govt's who get half their budget or more from shit like that? They will start calling for de-criminalization of it with a hefty slap on the wrist if caught with less than an ounce. Bigger fines with minimal jail time for up to a pound, maybe even a Kilo. I'd wager states agencies might be inclined to push for legalization & taxation. They won't get to keep all those nice new cars they confiscate, but they'll still make their budgets.

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About time SCOTUS took a stand against this shit. States have been getting away with harvesting money off of people for far too long.
 
Ideally, this CAF gets neutered at the Federal level, but until that time, individual states are leading the way. Except, apparently, for Michigan...

Things can change...


https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...ures-in-drug-cases-clear-michigan-legislature
 

https://reason.com/2019/05/10/michi...oples-cars-for-suspected-drug-crimes-anymore/
 

More: https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/07/iges-veto-of-civil-asset-forfeiture-bill-makes-no-sense/
 
Hey 11C1P, The SCOTUS ruling on the 8th amendment application is old news. I posted about it up above (post #21). It was actually a good ruling as it essentially caps the monetary value of what LEOs can confiscate. CAF is still anathema and more needs to be done to completely neuter it though.
 

https://reason.com/2019/11/21/with-this-forfeiture-trick-innocent-owners-lose-even-when-they-win/
 
yes wrongful seizure should allow for compensation for the loss and pay legal costs.

They compensate for wrongful imprisionment after all .....
 
Here's the Reason post about the New Jersey reform:
https://reason.com/2020/01/14/new-jersey-passes-civil-asset-forfeiture-reforms/

Here's the Institute for Justice press release on the $82K theft:

https://ij.org/press-release/pittsb...eral-government-to-get-his-life-savings-back/
 

More: https://news.stlpublicradio.org/pos...private-tow-lot-hand-over-10000-cash#stream/0
 
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Arizona Committee Passes Bill to End Civil Asset Forfeiture


"PHOENIX, Ariz. (Feb. 13, 2020) – Today, an Arizona Senate committee unanimously passed a bill that would reform the state’s asset forfeiture laws to prohibit the state from taking a person’s property without a criminal conviction in most situations. The proposed legislation would build on important reforms signed into law in 2017.

Sen. Eddie Farnsworth (R-Mesa) introduced Senate Bill 1556 (SB1556) on Feb. 4. The legislation would reform the state’s asset forfeiture laws to require a conviction before the prosecutors could begin forfeiture proceedings in most cases. The bill also includes provisions that would increase protections for property owners involved in the forfeiture process..

The Senate Judiciary Committee passed SB1556 with some technical amendments by a 7-0 vote.

An AZCIR analysis in 2017 found that Arizona agencies seized nearly $200 million in property between 2011 and 2015 from people who may never have been charged or convicted of a crime.

In 2017, Gov. Doug Ducey signed a bill into law that enacted modest reforms to the state’s forfeiture laws and closed a loophole that enabled prosecutors to circumvent state laws by passing cases off to the feds. SB1556 would build on the foundation set in that law and further reform the state’s asset forfeiture process.

In 2017, the legislature increased the evidentiary standard necessary for the state to win a forfeiture case. It also took a big step toward closing a loophole that allows state and local police to get around more strict state asset forfeiture laws in a vast majority of situations. This is particularly important in light of a policy directive issued in July 2017 by then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions for the Department of Justice (DOJ).

FEDERAL LOOPHOLE

A federal program known as “Equitable Sharing” allows prosecutors to bypass more stringent state asset forfeiture laws by passing cases off to the federal government through a process known as adoption. The DOJ directive reiterates full support for the equitable sharing program
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Feb 6:
More: https://reason.com/2020/02/06/class-action-lawsuit-challenges-detroits-asset-forfeiture-racket/

Feb 20:
https://ij.org/press-release/follow...-car-illegally-seized-using-civil-forfeiture/

The Institute for Justice is doing a lot of heavy lifting on this issue.
 
Did the State earn interest on that $470K over the course of the year they were holding it? Interesting case. Thanks for sharing.
 
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